paloma91
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posted on August 16, 2003 12:03:14 AM new
I have a puzzle that I need help solving. have a lovely teapot and two teacup and saucers. Each one is marked in fancy cursive:
Jorzellanfabrih Arzberg - the "J" may be a "T" or "P"
Arzberg (Bayern)
From what I can tell, Arzberg is in Bavaria. Right? If so, when is this from? Pre WW I ?
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paloma91
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posted on August 16, 2003 12:26:38 AM new
I went to ask jeeves and I was able to find out that Bayern is german for Bavaria. I can't get any further! I sure hope someone can help with this!!!
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TheFamilyBiz
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posted on August 16, 2003 04:09:38 AM new
Since the English language can draw a lot of its base from European languages, you're probably not going to be surprized to learn that Porzellanfabrih (using the possiblility of the "J" being a "P" could just mean "Porcelain Fabricated or Made" so you'd want to make sure you use Porzellanfabrih as the spelling when describing the mark.
Sorry, can't help with the dating though.
Wayne
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trai
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:21:14 AM new
Bavaria is in the south of germany, it is not eastern europe.
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paloma91
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:30:43 AM new
Thanks familybiz, I thought of that too. I think it might be a name. guess I am going to have to call for the experts. I hope we have someone that knows something about this.
Yes, Trai, I wrote the the post before I had a chance to find out what it meant. I did a search on azberg and found out it was a city in germany. Then I too a chance and went to translator.com to find out what it meant.
Can't find anything else on it.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:42:50 AM new
Porzellanfabrik Arzberg Bavaria
Type that in google and you should find what you are looking for...
Here is some pictures of other procelain with that mark.
http://www.rubylane.com/ni/shops/pipedreamers/iteml/RL0607#pic8
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dacreson
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:34:11 AM new
"Porcelain factory Arzberg Bavaria" is translation
David
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paloma91
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posted on August 16, 2003 11:35:02 AM new
That's IT! Thats it! Oh my goodness you guys are fantastic!!! Thanks so much! That is the EXACT mark without the "Made in Germany" Which means it was made prior to what? 1930's?
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paloma91
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posted on August 25, 2003 05:38:22 PM new
Here is the latest on this puzzle. I just received this email from someone in germany
"I live in germany and have learnt a lot about Arzberg and his history. Your Teaset is not from the 1800s. It was created in 1938 from Hermann Gretsch. A very important designer for Arzberg. The form was called "1495". This form was built until 1970. But the mark on the bottom has been used until 1955. I think the deco on the Teaset is from the 1940s. Donīt be disappointed, but your teaset is not 30,00$
worth. Itīs very nice sure! If you donīt sell it on ebay I would pay for it 5,00$. Shipping an handling to germany is very expensive!?
My thoughts on it are:
I have seen the same mark as mine but with an addition of "Made in Germany" on it which mine doesnt have. That got me searching even further. The Mckinley Tariff act of 1891 required that the name of the country where the ceramic was made must be printed on the piece the earliest date known of this for Germany is 1885. There is no "Made in Germany" as in other pieces with the exact same makers mark on the bottom.
PLEASE SOMEONE, anyone with any knowledge in this area, help me out here. Who is right? Him or me?
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paloma91
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posted on August 26, 2003 06:27:29 PM new
Bump, I sure hope someone has the info
Thanks so much
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kiara
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posted on August 26, 2003 06:51:15 PM new
After looking at the set and the mark I tend to believe the fellow from Germany. They did not use marks like that in the 1800's.
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paloma91
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posted on August 26, 2003 09:32:45 PM new
Thanks Kiara, I value your opinion. The fact that it doesnt say "made in Germany" is the kicker. I guess we will never know for sure. I remember reading that Hitler took over germany as well as it's "Bavaria" around 1932. It was never known as bavaria again since it became part of germany
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