pandorasbox
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posted on October 6, 2003 07:31:45 AM new
"Dear you,
My name is Adam. I am from US. I have see this item and I like that. So, I want to buy this item but, I want to send that to my brothers in INDONESIA, can you?
Please contact me if you aggree.
Thank you.
Adam"
Reply:
"Go away you snivelling huckster..There is no way in hell and if so much as look at another of my auctions, I will unleash the Powerseller's Black Hand upon you and those in concert with you; the result of which will be a plague of necrotic fistulas on your teeny nether regions.
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replaymedia
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posted on October 6, 2003 07:44:22 AM new
Or there is the much more profitable.
No problem!
The product is packaged and waiting for payment. Please note: we only accept payment for shipments going to Indonesia through either www.bidpay.com or www.payingfast.com. Our account with both is xxxxxxxxxx
Thank you for your purchase!
Sure it's a scam, but there is no reason you can't get payment too!
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Replay Media
Games of all kinds!
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cherishedclutter
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posted on October 6, 2003 08:07:25 AM new
Enlighten me, please. What is the scam? I've heard Indonesia should set off "red flag" warnings, but I don't know why.
Thanks.
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 6, 2003 08:24:36 AM new
I think the smarter reply would have either been no reply at all or a simple "Sorry I can not do that".
Instead the seller is now risking possible retaliation from the guy. If Adam is smart enough to run a scam he's smart enough to give you serious and unnecessary problems.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on October 6, 2003 09:22:34 AM new
Loved your response, pandorasbox.
It was entirely appropriate. Here's why:
A bidder who turned out to be Canadian won one of my minor ID auctions. I sent him email asking which part of "Will not ship to Canada" and "United States shipping only" he did not understand.
His response was that he had bid on US-only auctions MANY TIMES and had always been able to persuade the sellers to complete the transactions! Therefore, he was certain I wouldn't mind doing the same.
Being in a hurry, I was unable to be sufficiently rude in my reply, but hopefully it will stick with him and discourage him from continuing this moronic practice.
"I understand now. You read the rules and decided that since you are special, you can ignore them.
"God help us."
He'll be getting a red hot juicy neg, served at 90 mph right over the plate.
Sellers who play nicey-nice because they are terrified of receiving a neg are teaching bidders that they can get away with any sort of crap with complete impunity.
Our motto: Bright and shiny baubles for persons with low impulse control.
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gousainc-07
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posted on October 6, 2003 09:36:59 AM new
I think I remember a "self proclaimed" Indonesia Bidder "Want to Be" wanting to buy a GPS Watch from me.
If my memory is correct, Calendar watches are illegal for trade into Indonesia.
They tried and tried every time I listed a GPS watch.
After telling them "NO" it was illegal to send to their country they would come back and ask me how much I would charge them and could I take their credit card.
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 6, 2003 10:20:37 AM new
Isn't it amazing that sellers that promote rude replies also report people messing with their auctions? Is there a connection?
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on October 6, 2003 10:59:05 AM new
Only to people who have no lives and get their pathetic jollies out of messing with other peoples' auctions.
Fortunately, no one I know in Real Life is like that. Cowardly creatures who hide behind online pseudonyms are emboldened to create mischief, perhaps to compensate for their lack of original thought. You know, the kind of people who compulsively post to every thread whether they have anything worthwhile to say or not.
Our motto: Bright and shiny baubles for persons with low impulse control.
[ edited by fluffythewondercat on Oct 6, 2003 11:00 AM ]
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 6, 2003 11:25:02 AM new
You'll find them with rude replies to emails.
I think pathetic jollies can also be defined as giving sarcastic replies to emails. So fluffythewondercat is your real name? Sounds like you're also hidding behind an online pseudonym.
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[ edited by AuctionAce on Oct 6, 2003 11:29 AM ]
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pandorasbox
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posted on October 6, 2003 11:33:46 AM new
Ace;
I don't worry at all re any retaliation..my e-mail address is a redirect and my computer is firewalled.
As to my being a less than obsequious seller...guilty as charged.
If you wish me to contact Adam and have him bid on your items, then please forward your info and I'll turn him loose....Indonesia is a friendly place, chock-full of ready buyers and it is only my provincialism that keeps me from selling there.
You, on the other hand, are obviously a free-marketeer...More given to seize the reins of international commerce than me.
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."- John Wayne/The Shootist"(from the novel by Glendon Swarthout)
[ edited by pandorasbox on Oct 6, 2003 11:51 AM ]
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on October 6, 2003 11:37:59 AM new
Listen stalker,
A number of people know what my real name is. You really should read a little more often instead of posting kneejerk barely-thought-out responses merely to see your own name in print.
It ought to be obvious to anyone who stops to think a moment (don't stand up, I'm not referring to you) that Vendio message board activity has absolutely nothing to do with obstreporous bidders. Unless, of course, YOU are the above-mentioned Quebecois with the attitude.
Our motto: Bright and shiny baubles for persons with low impulse control.
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wgm
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posted on October 6, 2003 12:15:30 PM new
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."  - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 6, 2003 12:26:00 PM new
Your word obstreporous is not a word I think you may have meant obstreperous which means Noisily and stubbornly defiant. and
Aggressively boisterous.
To clarify my position :
When it comes to corresponding with ebay buyers or ebayers merely asking a question through the 'ask a seller a question' function I strongly feel that ebay sellers should always be polite and non-confrontational as the seller has no idea who the person on the other end is and what mayhem they are capable of.
It seems that every post you make has you tearing into question posers or buyers that do not comply with your wishes. That is okay if that is how you do business but I personally feel that it is a very foolish and unnecessary thing to do. The consequences can be very bad if you meet the wrong person on ebay.
I have no idea what you are talking about with this Quebecois but no doubt there will be other buyers that seek to do battle with you on ebay in the future.
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pandorasbox
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posted on October 6, 2003 12:44:48 PM new
Ace;
While were on the subject:
"..ebay sellers should always be polite and non-confrontational as the seller has no idea who the person on the other end is and what mayhem they are capable of."
Reminds me of a quote from Winston Churchill, when reprimanded for ending a sentence with a preposition: "This is the sort of thing up with which I will not put."
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."- John Wayne/The Shootist"(from the novel by Glendon Swarthout)
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rustygumbo
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posted on October 6, 2003 03:36:20 PM new
Is this for real??? I cannot believe there is even a debate over how each of us would handle a customer like this. I generally just ignore them or reply "NO". If you want to berate someone, so be it. If you want to be cordial, so be it. It doesn't really matter. You run your business however way you feel will lead to success. If it means sending erotic email responses, then more power to you.
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cramer
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posted on October 6, 2003 08:30:34 PM new
rusty,
its not about how to treat a customer. If you are on this board for very long, you'll realize that Auctionace and Fluffy have it out for each other....or do they? Maybe its a love thing? Just kidding.....actually I find them very entertaining and both have answered questions for me many times.....Thanks! (and keep it up....its much better than a soap.)
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karenmx
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posted on October 6, 2003 09:35:57 PM new
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any clue why the Indonesian powers-that-be would have a problem with calendar or GPS watches being sold into Indonesia?
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stonecold613
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posted on October 6, 2003 09:58:10 PM new
Here is the problem with this scenaro.
This is a scammer getting sellers to sell to them, send the item air freight to their partner, then once the item has been shipped, they reverse the charges screwing the seller. It has become a very popular PayPal scam because PayPal doesn't protect sellers what so ever. Usually telling the person that they will need to send a bidpay payment or that you will hold the item for 60 days for payment to clear, they go away.
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sparkz
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posted on October 6, 2003 10:13:41 PM new
Stone...Bidpay does not translate in Indonesian. They refuse to accept it as a part of their language. Paypal, now that they understand
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 7, 2003 12:18:54 AM new
Isn't there a civil war of sorts going on in Indonesia now? A GPS watch would be considered a military aide.
I worked with a guy that was half Indonesian and half Dutch. His father was a Dutch officer stationed in Indonesia and had married an Indonesian woman and had kids. When the war of independence in the 1940's came all of the Dutch officers were lined up to be executed but a few were spared if the were married to Indonesians but they had to leave the country. They chose the USA.
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