slhsato
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posted on October 10, 2003 10:30:03 AM new
Just wondering how many of you have a lot of problems with bidders who have zero feedback?
Seems like lately I've had a TON of bidders with zero feedback who just don't pay up, so I have to end up filing NPB Alerts and getting my Final Value Fees back. It's a waste of time and money for me.
I'd like to know what others do to prevent this problem (if any)? Do you allow bidders with zero feedback to bid on your items?
I've seen that some sellers ask bidders with zero feedback to email them first before bidding on their items, or their bids will be cancelled. Seems pretty harsh- after all, everyone starts on eBay with zero feedback at some time in their life. But what else can you do?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 10, 2003 10:39:27 AM new
More and more sellers are trying to exclude the zero feedback users. I entered the phrase ( with quotes ) " no zero feebackback bidders " and got 375 results on the title/description results. There must be many variations of that phrase as well.
http://tinyurl.com/qh20
I'm tempted to try that tactit but bids are so hard to come by that I'm holding off.
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kiara
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posted on October 10, 2003 10:54:53 AM new
I will never exclude zero feedback bidders. Some of the best bidding wars are between newbies. Besides, what's the difference between zero feedback and one feedback besides one transaction? It doesn't mean anything.
A zero feedback bidder could be a seller who has just started a buying ID. I find that some of the newbies need a bit more guidance but most do just fine.
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uaru
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posted on October 10, 2003 11:17:35 AM new
Do you allow bidders with zero feedback to bid on your items?
Of course not. No rational seller accepts zero feedback bidders. EBay should wake up and restict buying and selling to only members with over 10 positive feedbacks.
I'm serious.
Nope, I'm not kidding.
I put a lot of thought in this.
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kiara
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posted on October 10, 2003 11:17:36 AM new
How do sellers manage this by having zero feedback bidders e-mail first? What do they ask them, if they intend to pay if they bid? That means nothing.
How much time do they want to devote to doing background checks or just to answer those e-mails?
uaru, I always love it when you get serious. 
[ edited by kiara on Oct 10, 2003 11:19 AM ]
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 10, 2003 11:21:21 AM new
The search results largely show auction goods that attract immature zero bidders. I don't blame those sellers from banning the zero feedbackers because they must get a high percentage of headache bidders.
It's too risky to ban zero bidders on regular auctions as every bid counts ( same thing with international bidders ).
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miscreant
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posted on October 10, 2003 11:24:36 AM new
If you just search for "zero feedback" you get 31,000 results and almost all of those want prior approval or flat do not want them.
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jensmome
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posted on October 10, 2003 11:42:29 AM new
There is nothing I like better than a bidding war between newbies- zero or single digits. I don't ban them but I will admit to checking their current bidding and ID history. My latest deadbeat is over 100 positive and no negs. There's just no way to tell.
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uaru
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posted on October 10, 2003 12:03:12 PM new
If you just search for "zero feedback" you get 31,000 results and almost all of those want prior approval or flat do not want them.
31,000 sounds like a lot till you put that number in relation to how many auctions are currently running on eBay, over 10,980,000. So 0.28% are concerned enough to mention zero feedback bidders in their TOS and 99.72% make no mention of it.
0.28% vs 99.72%. 0.28% is too small to be a minority, that's a cult.
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 10, 2003 12:05:31 PM new
There is no way to tell for sure but the odds greatly favor zero feedbacks as deadbeats over high feedback ebay bidders. The sellers banning them are merely playing the odds and risking not having a rare bidding war between newbies. More and more sellers are using that practice.
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slhsato
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posted on October 10, 2003 12:13:30 PM new
I tried it on one of my auctions. I said "zero bidders please email me first to let me know if you'll be paying via PayPal or M.O." Basically I wanted to see if they could follow instructions! Two bidders with zero feedback bidded on my auctions WITHOUT contacting me first. I cancelled both of their bids. One of the bidders emailed me back right away and said, "sorry I didn't read your TOS. I'm new on eBay and will be paying with a Money Order if I'm the winner." So I let him bid on it again. He won it and paid right away. The other guy that I cancelled NEVER contacted me to find out why his bid was cancelled, etc. Which makes me think that if he would've won, he may not have contacted or emailed me after the sale. He probably would've been another non-paying zero feedback bidder.
So... there may be some validity in adding that to your TOS. At least the people who win your acutions are legitimate bidders and you don't have to spend all that time filing NPB Alerts and recooping FVF?
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sanmar
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posted on October 10, 2003 01:16:19 PM new
Hey!! Every d@#n buyer started with ZERO feedback. If every one stopped them from bidding. we wouldn't have anybody to sell to. I have had no more trouble with newbies than those with a 100 or more pos. fdbck. They are welcome anytime.
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tomwiii
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posted on October 10, 2003 02:22:43 PM new
Fur once, I agree with Sanmar!
0 fb or 1000 fb -- I've had beadbeats both & I don't think newbies are anymore prone to flake than others!
I'm delighted with any bidders -- except for CANADIANS & YANKEES FANS!
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/vidrat/
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 10, 2003 02:23:56 PM new
I'm certain the degree of trouble with newbies depends on what the seller is selling.
All newbie sellers are not equal in quality. 
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Roadsmith
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posted on October 10, 2003 02:57:19 PM new
I do accept zero-feedback buyers. Never had one problem with one of them paying.
IN my EOA message I add a cut-and-pasted paragraph acknowledging that they are new buyers and offering to help them understand any part of the process that's puzzling to them. Some have thanked me for that and actually had questions about Ebay buying, including the all-important FEEDBACK system.
It probably depends on what you sell. If it's to young men (CDs, video games, etc) perhaps that would make a difference. Some of my worst buyers, OTOH, have been people with more than 100 feedbacks.
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sarniaflower
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posted on October 10, 2003 03:08:17 PM new
Right on sanmar!
we all started out the same with no feedback.
I have had very few non payers and last 2 I did have were " SELLERS" in fact the last one was a powerseller!
tomwiii........  please don't lump all us Canadians together we are not all pain in the butt's. And oddly enough most of my purchses have been from sellers that had in their tos No OUTSIDE OF USA BIDDERS but when I requsted permission to bid and have it sent to my usa addrss all but 1 repled with a postive answer and every one is happy.
Only once did I not get a reply it was for a postage scale and it didnt matter their were dozens of sellers i just went to the next best priced unit and bid, won, paid ,got it.
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sarniaflower
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posted on October 10, 2003 03:09:15 PM new
Right on sanmar!
we all started out the same with no feedback.
I have had very few non payers and last 2 I did have were " SELLERS" in fact the last one was a power-seller!
tomwiii........ please don't lump all us Canadians together we are not all pain in the butt's. And oddly enough most of my purchases have been from sellers that had in their tos No OUTSIDE OF USA BIDDERS but when I requested permission to bid and have it sent to my USA address all but 1 replied with a positive answer and every one is happy.
Only once did I not get a reply it was for a postage scale and it didn't matter their were dozens of sellers i just went to the next best priced unit and bid, won, paid ,got it.
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MAH645
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posted on October 10, 2003 03:33:31 PM new
I have zero feedback buyers bid on my auctions all the time. The number of deadbeats for me is very low. I rarely have a problem with a new bidder.
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miscreant
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posted on October 10, 2003 03:52:40 PM new
Zero feedbacks are more than OK with me although I do check their biiding sometimes. One zero had over $35,000 in total bids and that one did worry me. Paid quickly with a money order and was over 200 feedback in one month all positives.
There is a 700+ all positive feedback that just won an expensive item and is whining about the price.
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toasted36
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posted on October 10, 2003 03:55:29 PM new
I take zero feedback buyers all the time ....their money is just as green as the next persons I've had 3 deat beats in the last 1-1/2 years (knocking on every piece of wood in the house lol !) 2 item I relisted and it sold for twice as much and the other went to a under bidder for 1.00 less. Not bad odds ,zero feed back people just need a little more time than others...I love getting to leave the first feedback so you can say "Welcome to ebay !!"
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dadofstickboy
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posted on October 10, 2003 04:04:00 PM new
I had a guy who signed up with Ebay just to buy an item from me.
It was a BIN for $400.00.
When I saw that he signed up that same day,I thought (Oh Great ) But the deal went off as smooth as silk.
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sanmar
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posted on October 10, 2003 04:31:28 PM new
Toasted; Doesn't give you pain in the butt whe someone starts crying about the price? Why in HeXXC did they bid for? They set the price on their own, you didn't hold a giun to their head.
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sparkz
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posted on October 10, 2003 05:02:26 PM new
I take all bidders, as long as their feedback isn't in the negative column. I've had some great bidding wars between newbies on some of my auctions. Ironically, I just shipped an item today to a zero feedback winner of one of my auctions. He left me positive feedback before his payment arrived. I was happy to give him his first and only feedback and was going to welcome him to Ebay until I got to the feedback page and discovered he has been registered since May of 1999. Hell, I've only been on a little more than a year more than he has!! This was his first purchase.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
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toasted36
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posted on October 10, 2003 05:23:24 PM new
sanmar I haven't had that happen yet either lol gee I'm prolly gonna have all that crap happen this week cause I've said something about it....I might have a buyer kinda hint about the price this past week but I was going to shipping the bracelet for free cause it sold for three times the money I was looking for and I feel the way over paid for it...shipping with insurance was only 2.44 so it's not like I was out anything...bracelet sold for over 50.00 ....going to go look for more wood to knock on !!
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stonecold613
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posted on October 10, 2003 09:43:43 PM new
Of course not. No rational seller accepts zero feedback bidders.
Are you as moronic as auctiondunce? To not allow newbies the right to bid is about as a stupid comment I have ever heard. Sure, there is a chance of a deadbeat, but in my experience deadbeats like to build some feedback before messing with a persons auctions. Besides, it seems to me that we all had to start at zero feedback and work our way up the ladder. Please, send the newbies my way. They bid like mad and 99% of the time, pay in a timely manner as well.
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toolhound
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posted on October 11, 2003 01:15:01 PM new
The worst I have been ripped off on eBay was a 168 feedback bidder that stuck me with a bad check for $600.00 (Bounced 31 days after deposit for those who think 10 day hold works). The next worse was a seller with over 500 feedback that sent me a worthless item in place of a $165.00 item that had delivery confirmation on it so he could prove he sent the item. I have also had quite a few 0 feedback bidders that did not pay and I did not send the item. Feedback means nothing to me.
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AuctionAce
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posted on October 11, 2003 01:39:41 PM new
Did you ever get your $600 back from the bounced check? The MAD online collection agency works wonders with bad checks on the internet. No fees with most checks.
http://www.madagency.com/
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toolhound
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posted on October 11, 2003 03:47:23 PM new
I did get the $600.00 back after about 6 months. The guy had went to jail and his father paid all the people he had ripped off to keep from having more charges brought against him.
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myoldtoy
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posted on October 12, 2003 04:39:20 PM new
I FIND YOU FOLKS UNBELIEVABLE IN THIS "CONVERSATION." I FIND THE CONVERSATION UNBELIEABLE ALSO. AT FIRST I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS A JOKE-SOMEONE TRYING TO HAVE SOME FUN...IF ONE OF YOU QUESTIONED MY INTEGRITY, I WOULD TELL YOU WHERE YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR "EMAILER." IF YOU CANT STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN....AND, INCLOSING, THIS IS OF COURSE MY OPINION ONLY...EVERYONE ENTITLED TO THEIR PEROGATIVES...SAM
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MAH645
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posted on October 12, 2003 07:16:36 PM new
In certain categories zero feedback can be a nightmare to sellers,been there done that. I always hated selling on Yahoo because of it. It depends on what you sell as to how bad the problem can be. I sold baby items a few years back and about went nuts with non-paying bidders-most were 0 feedback.
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