howardform
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posted on January 6, 2004 07:30:46 AM new
In light of the New Fees Fee-bay has decided to charge.
I propose Feb 2,2004 be declared. Non-Listing day . (If you must list Auctions. List them at 11:59PM Feb 1, 2004)
I realize that many people depend on Ebay for their incomes. So thats why 1 day wont make much of a difference (List at 11:59PM Feb 1st)
Ebay must be told we are upset at increae in fees
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jackswebb
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posted on January 6, 2004 07:38:16 AM new
Best of Luck to you.
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wgm
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posted on January 6, 2004 07:53:04 AM new
ROFL jack 
and ditto...what jack said 
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"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to the people who sleep under the very blanket of freedom I provide, and then question the manner in which I provide it. I'd rather you just said 'thank you' and went on your way." - A Few Good Men
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Libra63
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:01:04 AM new
forget it...This doesn't even warrent a response..........
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horsey88
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:01:04 AM new
Like Ebay cares if they get your coin at 11:59 or 12:01.
I think you are planning a NON-Event.
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Damariscotta
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:04:22 AM new
And less than a week from the last call here to boycott eBay. We could be going for a record here!
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howardform
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:19:10 AM new
I am not calling for a Boycott of EBay.
Thats where all the customers are. Really where else are you going to sell stuff.
I am just proposing to Not list on Increase day.
Just manage your auctions around start times.
When Ebay calculates listings for Feb 2,
they could see listings are down for that day.
If you normally use 7 Day auctions
List 5 day Auction on Feb 4
or 10 Day Auction on Jan 29
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CBlev65252
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:49:05 AM new
Sorry, gang, old 60's survivor here. This complacency is exactly why we are where we are today. What's wrong with listing on 2/1 at 11:59 - you'll beat the price increase anyway. It's not so terrible what howardform is suggesting. It won't do any good this we all know. However, why have we become a society content with sitting on our laurals and not taking a stand for anything?
Geesh, can you tell I'm sitting a my desk at work plugging away at the business taxes (non-profit tax forms at that) in total frustration because: I am not an accountant, I never wanted to be an accountant, I hate filling out forms!!
Cheryl
http://tinyurl.com/vm6u
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wasabico
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:54:48 AM new
Howardform:
I'm in.
"Gimme an "F"...."
p.s.
Where have you gone, Country Joe?
Our nation could use a ray of
enlightenment...
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pmelcher
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posted on January 6, 2004 08:56:00 AM new
We could give it a shot, can't hurt to not list one day. I'll just list on one of the two days I don't usually list instead. They might notice if enough people protest. Also a veteran of the 60's.
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Roadsmith
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:07:32 AM new
I agree that it won't hurt Ebay any to boycott for one day. But if listings are down significantly, they'd see how many sellers are upset and take that as a sign. Couldn't hurt to try for one day.
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"I have resolved to allow my friends their peculiarities." -- Samuel Johnson
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kiara
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:22:47 AM new
Protesting won't change anything. All sellers would have to stop listing for a week or so for it to make an impact and it will never happen. eBay is not a community, it's every man for himself.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Adapt or die.
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
Next stop is Vietnam
And it's five, six, seven
Open up the pearly gates
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
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Damariscotta
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:25:03 AM new
Call it a boycott or not, eBay will probably see a lot of listings just before the hike takes effect from people wanting to save some money. If people don't list on the specified day out of protest, it certainly won't register much (even if there are 500 participants for each person following this discussion).
Would a message be sent? Sure. Would this message be noticed? Maybe. Would this message result in action on eBay's part? Unlikely.
Sellers who leave eBay due to price increase would probably not lasted that much longer anyway. Am I complacent and apathetic? Maybe, but I don't see online auction fee increases as being quite up there with fighting for civil rights or stopping the bombing of civilians in Viet Nam.
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ebayvet
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:39:59 AM new
Please, by all means, don't list - I will be listing. While I am never happy about a fee increase, it is a part of life, and you either adapt and deal with it, or go away. The more people who don't list the better, I will list a lot and hopefully benefit from a meaningless gesture...Let's show ebay, give me a break! I would be perfectly fine with a reduction in sellers.
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Libra63
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posted on January 6, 2004 09:45:18 AM new
If you notice Feb 2 is on a Monday and most people list on the Sunday so not listing on Feb 2 won't do much for their numbers. Now if they would have started Feb 1 that would be a different story. I know this increase won't mean much to me but to the sellers that list many items it will and also to the buyers as sellers will have to raise their prices.
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jackswebb
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posted on January 6, 2004 10:18:48 AM new
libra,,,how does one raise their prices in an auction style format? AH!! Shilling!!!!!!! hahaahha..........
Happpy trails to you.
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fenix03
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posted on January 6, 2004 10:31:53 AM new
You put it in the S &H charge.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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stonecold613
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posted on January 6, 2004 10:41:28 AM new
Libra hit it on the head. Or beat me to the punch. I normally list on Thursdays and Sundays and I will support the boycott. I will not list on Monday the 2nd. But then again, I wouldn't have listed on the 2nd anyway.
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jackswebb
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posted on January 6, 2004 11:05:32 AM new
You mean double my already highly inflated handling fees? Hmmmmm,,,,e bay has doubled some fees,,,,,why not US! Perfect! What's GOOD for the Goose is GOOD for the Gander.
MY Powersellers logo.
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eeditions2000
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posted on January 6, 2004 12:09:00 PM new
For those of us Californian's who've held out from shopping at Von's, Albertson's, Ralphs, Safeway, etc. for the last two months in support of labor workers....one day of no listings on eBay isn't asking much I would imagine...is it?
It's truly unfortunate however, that much like the grocery chain strike here-it's a DAVID (us) vs. GOLIATH (them)scenario too...and even though the grocery chain's have lost millions of $$$$ (you should see the stores-people here for the most part have held solid/united and stayed out of the stores-the parking lots are EMPTY!)...
The end result-lost wages for the workers-a point gets made-millions of dollars lost by the stores...and it will all trickle back to the consumer (us again) where higher prices (or in eBay's case-higher fees) will be passed onto the consumer (us again....) to offset Goliath's losses.
So, we ask ourselves...did we accomplish anything? Does Goliath really even care about it's consumers?
I think we all know the answer, don't you?
"Adapting...evolving...surviving...and hoping for a better way in 2004....."
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fenix03
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posted on January 6, 2004 12:24:32 PM new
I'm not sure about where you are but the parking lots here in San Diego started filling up again about 4 days after the strike started. Although in some areas there are alternative stores to go to, in many area there are not, when there are they are either inconvienient, have limited inventory or are too high priced. I wait as long in line at Ralphs now as I did pre strike.
On the flip side, a lot of unemployed people were able to find work, pay their bills, get off public assistant and have very happy holidays because in a state racked by lay off and unemployment grocery workers decided to simply walk away from their jobs expecting to be begged back. Wow did they misthink that one!
Work, don't work. List, don't list. There is always going to be someone else behind you willing to take the money that you turned away from.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on Jan 6, 2004 12:28 PM ]
[ edited by fenix03 on Jan 6, 2004 12:29 PM ]
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Libra63
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posted on January 6, 2004 12:33:33 PM new
Jack - Shilling NO. Add some to your S/H or add an extra to the start of your auction or better yet find ways to get free shipping materials. We as sellers have to be creative. It can be done. There is always ways to hide those fees just like the way people hide their PayPal fees. I know we are being nickled and dimed to death but if we want to sell then we have to do what they say or go out and get a 9-5 job or 11-7 job. Remember auctions are viewed 24 hours, (well sometimes) Employees are needed and I sure hope with the raise that they are taking from us that their employees will also get one.
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sanmar
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posted on January 6, 2004 12:57:26 PM new
Doesn't affect me as I do all of my listings on Thursday nightfor a 10 day auction.
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zathras11
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posted on January 6, 2004 01:10:50 PM new
Well, sanmar, it does affect you. The 10-day
fee is doubling ($0.10 to $0.20)!
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"Cannot say. Saying, I would know. Do not
know, so cannot say". -- Zathras (Babylon 5)
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howardform
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posted on January 6, 2004 01:18:33 PM new
I think you ARE missing the point
Yes Ebay is Goliath and we are David. and most likely will not listen to us
But without sellers there is no EBay.
Some posters has said every man for himself. Yet no man is an island.
Yes you can list on Feb 2 and think you are getting more customers but by boycotting listing on Feb 2 Only you are telling FEE-bay
I DONT NOT LIKE YOU PRICE INCREASE. MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT, BUT I STILL DONT LIKE IT.
Imagine if Ebay sellers Jay&marie, Restaurant.com, TBC Video just didnt list that day.
How much would Ebay lose??
You can vote with your pockets.
I do not live in Ca, but the issues affecting the supermarket strike affect all of us.
Most of us are getting choked by Health insurance.
Slave Mart might be cheap , but they force their workers to work for slave wages, Work Off the clock and no Benefits (Thank God there is no SLave mart here (We have plenty of cheap stores..shopping is not a problem in NYC))
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ebayvet
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posted on January 6, 2004 01:23:54 PM new
"I think you ARE missing the point"
Nope, you are missing the point - Do you think one day of a few sellers, esp. a Monday, will really make a difference or send a message? It will be forgotten by Tuesday, when all of these sellers will just list the things they did not list on Monday.
One day boycotting will not send a message. Imagine if the Alabama bus boycott was one day only in the 1950's - The Civil Rights movement might never had started when it did. If you want to send a message, then you boycot until the changes you want are made. A one day boycott will accomplish absolutely NOTHING.
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kiara
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posted on January 6, 2004 01:59:56 PM new
Some posters has said every man for himself. Yet no man is an island.
I said every man for himself and I've been saying it for years because ebay is exactly the way it is in the real world when it comes to selling. Each merchant is out for himself.
eBay is not a united community of sellers and I don't know why so many think it is. Perhaps because ebay stresses the "community" on some of their pages?
Look at the competition out there and think about it. While you're proudly doing your little one day protest those other sellers are just scooping more of your customers and profits.
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thepriest
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posted on January 6, 2004 02:05:05 PM new
Hi...A boycott would be ineffective...many of us make a living and need the cash flow.
However, there are alternatives...such as a website... try bricks and mortar (quite a difference expense wise- at least in NYC)
Or, hope that maybe Google will start and auction site.
Viable competition to eBay is one answer.
thanks
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howardform
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posted on January 6, 2004 02:25:19 PM new
I am not suicidal, If everyone else is going to list, Why would I cost myself business.
Every man is for himself..Eh?
Arent we all hurt by this increase??? Whats in it for you?? I doubt anything exept lower income.
You might THINK every man for himself.
But ebay is a community to an extent. Have you ever been warned about a deadbeat buyer (or seller)
Obviously there is some competion and that is good, but on a bare level we are all in this together.
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CBlev65252
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posted on January 6, 2004 02:34:28 PM new
A lot of you here are ranting that you need to make a living. Okay. My question is - if not listing for one day is going to destroy your income why are you bothering at all? Maybe you need to try another way to make a living? First we have PayPal that seems to survive by the philosophy protect the buyer first. Then we have eBay whose philosophy seems to be kill as many sellers off as possible. Just who is supporting who here? Seems the sellers support both eBay and PayPal. You'd never know it.
Cheryl
http://tinyurl.com/vm6u
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