fenix03
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posted on July 5, 2004 10:19:58 AM new
I've signed up, set my words, my ad and my price per click but before I give them the credit card info I was just wondering if anyone is usuing this service for the website and if so, what the response has been?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Gtootie
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posted on July 5, 2004 10:43:45 AM new
Hi Fenix
I tried them once. I didn't see any difference. And they kept telling me I needed to change my words or use fewer words. After a few days I got even more confused than I was to begin with and gave up.
If I remember right, it started to look as thought it was going to cost a good bit too. I decided to have to be a high volume seller already to make it work. But like I said at first, I never really understood the whole thing.
Be kind. Everyone is fighting their own secret battles.
...Author Unknown
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jjsgems
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posted on July 5, 2004 11:06:49 AM new
Are you guys talking about the eBay keywords or Google? I know it says Google - just wondering. I was in the eBay keywords - still am but don't use it all the time. They do work really well - saw quite a difference on my hits and bidders - gets a little pricey after awhile, though. You only pay when it is clicked on, but everyone I guess was clicking!  I only use it now to perk things up when they get slow. Back to Google - no, I don't use Google! 
patr
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fenix03
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posted on July 5, 2004 11:13:43 AM new
JJs - I am referring to the Google AdWords.
GT - I only have three keyphrases selected but the are specifically targeted and after looking at their list of other suggestions realized that most people that would use them are not looking for what I am actually selling. I'm trying to figure out how they figure the average daily budget since if I add the average clicks per day X price per click of the three phrases, the total is half the amount they come up with.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Gtootie
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posted on July 5, 2004 11:35:50 AM new
It was about two years ago when I tried it and I was going through a real depressing time (like now), so I don't remember exactly about the money. I do remember it seems more expensive than what I had figured the price to be. I couldn't figure out they got their numbers. And it didn't seem like I was getting any hits. When I did a search using my own keywords, my ad didn't come up much either.
At the time, I thought it was because I wasn't thinking straight and just didn't understand it. From what you are saying, maybe I understood better than I thought.
Be kind. Everyone is fighting their own secret battles.
...Author Unknown
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melissafan100
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posted on July 5, 2004 12:25:25 PM new
I've found them to work very well for me. I do need to go and tweak my key words, change ads to keep them fresh, etc. fairly frequently. I do a lot of other things to drag customers into my web store, but the Google adwords account for probably 30 percent of our new customers.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on July 5, 2004 05:09:20 PM new
I've been using them for about a year now.
Is quite pricey!
I shut them down and start the back up on a whim.
Not much really in the line of results.
All I can say is:
At this time I have no auctions going, only store items.
And I sold 5 items last week.
This is the first time in a year I think they are paying off!
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jjsgems
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posted on July 5, 2004 05:22:28 PM new
I have a store, but very rarely do I ever sell anything out of it. Not really sure why I have it except that it is listed with the other stores. It is very pricey to sell on eBay - unless you are a powerseller and they get lower fees and the works. Maybe one day I can get there. Always hoping.
patr
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stopwhining
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posted on July 5, 2004 05:40:26 PM new
who said powersellers get lower fees??
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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dadofstickboy
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posted on July 5, 2004 06:03:01 PM new
Yeah:
Clue me in on this!
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neglus
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posted on July 5, 2004 06:15:56 PM new
You've got to be kidding! Powersellers get lower rates?? Not THIS powerseller nor any I know of!
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jackswebb
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posted on July 5, 2004 06:33:27 PM new
POWERSELLERS = lower FEES? Hardly, They Get Even HIGHER fees,,,as they sell MORE! Hence higher fees, where did you EVER get that line?
and the beat goes on,,,,,,,,
Happy Hangover Fifth of July.......To Everyone......
I went to a BIG swap today in one hour spent???? Invested!! $200.00.......in goodies to SELL! on the bay.......
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jjsgems
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posted on July 5, 2004 07:52:41 PM new
It's a known fact - powersellers get lots of bene's - I heard this from the powersellers' themselves.
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jjsgems
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posted on July 5, 2004 07:55:31 PM new
powersellers do not have higher fees - especially from PayPal - the more they bring in the less percentage they take out - you obviously didn't read the announcements.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on July 5, 2004 08:11:15 PM new
I'm a powerseller.
I don't get lower fees from PayPal.
They have a minimum requirement.
Just being a Powerseller doesn't meet it!
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ihula
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posted on July 5, 2004 08:37:15 PM new
Me too - been a powerseller for 2 years now - no lower fees that I know of. I get the merchant rate from paypal, but anyone can apply for that. I get a phone number - haven't needed to use it, though.
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stopwhining
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posted on July 7, 2004 05:00:20 AM new
fenix03,
if you decide to use Google Adwords,come back and tell us how it goes.
Some cybershops have spent a lot of money on so called cost per click or pay per click,the return is just not there.
Another way to play this game is just hold on to your wallet and outlast your competitors who spend too much on this sucker game.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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dacreson
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posted on July 7, 2004 05:54:08 AM new
Hello,
If you have an eBay store and if you are using Ebay's new and improved picture service, one reason you are getting fewer hits etc is that the older machines (Win 98 or older) may lock up on your site.
As near as i can figure (With help some from this board) it is the pictures as they have data embedded in them and the older programs just cannot handle them.
I contacted Ebay and they said (after two weeks) that they were referring it to there engineers. I have heard nothing since.
Meanwhile if you have a store (that MAY not matter) and if you are using ebay pictures
you may not be accessible to the older machines.
David
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chessguy
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posted on July 7, 2004 06:33:15 AM new
fenix03,
I have used all of them, google, ebay and overture (yahoo). They have there ups and downs. During the holiday season you can really spend ALLOT of money with these pay per click deals, of course you get sales in return. I do think it is worth it. My bill for google last month was $500 for pay per clicks, but my sales was 6 times that amount from the website. Don't know if they all came from google or from word of month but it seems to be working for me.
Also ebay's adwords gets you an add but not much more sales. The one that really worked for me was yahoo's Overture. I had allot of buyers from AOL customers when I used overture, I guess AOL users really like using google.
I ran a little test to see which one would bring me the most sales of course it is not scientific and really they were during different months, but I found that the overture brought more people in to my website, and less expensive for me.
Google is ok, if you have no one else competing for the same key word. I have 20 or more competitors for the key word "chess set" so for that word alone it cost $1.75 on google which is a little to high for me, while on overture it is only about .75$. Just depends who you are competing against.
All in all I think it is worth the money, but you have to do your homework and find out who your competitors are and how much they are willing to spend for the keyword you are using. I have found that unless you come up in the top 3 or 4 of a search, there really is no use in using the adwords. Because most folks have already decide to buy from your competitors above you.
Just my thoughts, let me know if you have any other questions I can help with.
chessguy.
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stopwhining
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posted on July 7, 2004 06:53:59 AM new
chessguy,
AOL search is google,not overture.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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HerbsCraftsGifts
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posted on July 7, 2004 06:55:54 AM new
I totally agree with Chessman. I worked for a man who had a Yahoo store and had over 20 keywords going at any one time. He had some good results but it became like a gambling addiction. He had to be ahead of the competion to the tune of $200.00 some days.
An observation I made though. It is not so important to be 1st. One of the top 4 that show up at the top of the search page is good, especially when there a a big difference (that you are paying) for the keyword. Sometimes when the $$ got too high one of the competiors whould drop it back down and they would start all over again, letting it climb up to a certian dollar amount and letting it cycle.
Aftet I quit, linking into his store alot was a good way to get even with him for being a real jerk!!!
Talk about a money maker. His store was small home appliances etc and he made over 1 1/2 million the 1st year I was there.(Gross) All drop ship. Wish I were younger and had more energy so I could duplicate it since I know all the suppliers and the way the Yahoo stores work. He didn't even work there full time. He had another job and had me in the office and did everything he needed to do by phone or at night when he got home. From Thanksgiving to 3rd week of September, we processed over 200 orders a day.
Anyhow keywords can work and are fun but can be expensive since it is a never ending auction and some people always have to be 1st.
Louise
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thepriest
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posted on July 7, 2004 07:26:00 AM new
Louise...you made and excellent point.
A friend of ours was using the Google, and when he came upon a competitor, he'd run up the bid cost, then...start clicking...ran up his competitor's overhead.
That also happens alot with eBay keywords.
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stopwhining
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posted on July 7, 2004 09:29:42 AM new
with yahoo/overture cost per click,the same person clicking one time or a million times is counted only once.
with other search engines,there are ways to track down the person who clicks just for the sake of clicking.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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fenix03
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posted on July 7, 2004 05:20:36 PM new
Holy Cow!
I signed up with Overture this morning after reading some of the imput here. According o their sign up it takes about 5 days for your submission to be approved and put into the ranks.... not quite accuarte. Lets go with 5 hours. Just got the confirming email and unable to really believe it could be true - did a search and holy cow... there I be - right there in the sponsored listings. Now I guess it's just a matter of hoping for the best.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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chessguy
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posted on July 8, 2004 05:13:37 AM new
Let us know how it goes for you.
Thanks
chessguy
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