fenix03
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posted on August 28, 2004 11:22:10 AM new
Beautiful piece - just no clue where it came from - anyone else have an idea?
It's about 7 1/2 inches tall. The brown uneven stripe at the bottom is not glaze - it is a different color clay which can also be seen on the inside. The outside is unfinished however the inside is. The bison appear three times around the vase and the only mark I can find is the g in the triangle on the bottom.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 28, 2004 11:22 AM ]
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twig125silver
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posted on August 28, 2004 03:39:54 PM new
Very nice vase. Couldn't find the mark in my books, though. Might be by an artist.
TerryAnn
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profe51
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posted on August 28, 2004 09:35:17 PM new
It's not indian fenix. At least not traditional indian pottery. Native SW pottery is low temp fired and not glazed.
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sparkz
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posted on August 28, 2004 09:58:23 PM new
The bottom mark looks like Gerz (or Geriz) from Germany, a maker of beer steins. However, I've never seen anything like that they have ever made. I would have to dig through some references though to verify that mark.
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tomwiii
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posted on August 28, 2004 10:22:36 PM new
Looks Crete (Minoan) to me-n-Ralphie!
But, hey -- tis GREEK to we!
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earthmum
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posted on August 29, 2004 01:10:59 AM new
Hi Fenix - It is a wonderful piece! And it could well be American Indian. Indian artists are not all in the south west. We have an Onondaga lady here in New York who makes great pottery. Her name is Ada, and her pots command a good price. She is also in her eighties and has amazing energy. Her pots are all kiln fired and glazed. She will be at the Iroquois Festival in Cobleskill, NY next weekend and will probably just about sell out. However, for eBay purposes, my thoughts are to put it in an art category. Could you post a link to it when it's listed?
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blueyes29
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posted on August 30, 2004 03:08:39 PM new
Please let us know when you list this beautiful vase...
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buyhigh
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posted on August 30, 2004 06:39:50 PM new
One might also add that American Indian pottery ( at least from the S.W.) is not wheel turned. They use a hand coiling method and the cheap greenware they paint on is not marked on the bottom. Are those supposed to be leaping bulls like the Minoan ones or bison?
buyhigh
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earthmum
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posted on August 30, 2004 07:17:31 PM new
Definitely bison/buffalo. And Ada does not paint on greenware - her work is original. Some pieces are wheel thrown and some are coiled. She does slip decoration as well as under glaze painting. And she is an Onondaga, one of the Iroquois Confederacy nations. Clay pottery has been made by Eastern Woodland people for a few thousand years.
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buyhigh
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:43:41 PM new
OK so one could call her an artist who happens to be Indian. However, it is not traditional Eastern Woodlands Indian pottery since bison never roamed that area of this continent and the pottery wheel hadn't been in use before Europeans arrived.
buyhigh
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profe51
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:15:00 PM new
buyhigh, what you've said is true, with the exception of the pottery from Acoma Pueblo in NM. Acoma pottery is so highly prized for it's intricate painting that the potters have discovered they can paint in a traditional manner on greenware or wheel thrown pieces and it only affects their sale prices a little bit. Kind of sad, Acoma painting is at it's zenith, while the ability to make the pots is a vanishing skill.
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buyhigh
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posted on August 30, 2004 10:00:55 PM new
Have you checked the prices that Acoma painting on greenware brings on ebay as against the final bid prices on hand made and fired coiled ware? I personally have found that greenware attracts little interest although I see a lot of it just sitting on tables at flea markets with no one giving it much notice.
buyhigh
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earthmum
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posted on August 31, 2004 02:44:48 AM new
True, bison/buffalo are not indigenous to the Eastern Woodlands region; however, today's artists of any ethnic extraction have widened their horizons. Even SW potters use some modern techniques, such as commercial paint. And Ada does not depict bison/buffalo on her pots, she portrays Iroquois clan animals such as turtle, bear, wolf, snipe, beaver, etc. She does make some items with the coil method, and as for the potter's wheel - well, since it has been around in the U.S. for several hundred years it is not surprising that Indian artists have noticed it.
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tomwiii
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posted on August 31, 2004 04:26:22 AM new
Bison, schmison!
This be a sacred Yuk-bull of ancient Elbonia! Since you depict TWO, they be Yuk-Yuks!
Geepers! What did yowse guys do in school? Take up SPACE??
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earthmum
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posted on August 31, 2004 05:19:53 AM new
Hi Tom & Ralphie - well, I guess you would know more about bull ... just kidding! I was a terror in school. Went to an English all girls school back in the early 1950s, and was NOT a good student. Ever see those old "St. Trinian's" movies?
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tomwiii
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posted on August 31, 2004 05:22:17 AM new
OTOH, earth-mumsey, if you had THREE, you'd have:
YUK, YUK, YUK!
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profe51
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posted on August 31, 2004 06:01:32 AM new
buyhigh, I haven't looked at Acoma on Ebay, but I will. I'm speaking of what I see in the galleries here in the SW, and at Acoma. I occaisionally buy Hopi pots, but so far haven't seen much worth bidding on at Ebay. Plus, I'd much prefer to hold a pot in hand before buying it.
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