posted on May 1, 2005 08:01:44 AM new
I bought an item from a power seller on ebay what had a pretty good over-all feedback number about 98%. I didnt check the details of feedback as it was a small buy it now purchase but an item I really needed and quickly. I paid online immediately and about a week later a get an email that they dont have the item and will provide a refund at some point in the future! Then I go and check the feedback and see it has really deteriorated in the last month very large absolute number and relative number of neutrals and negatives in the last month almost all about sellers failure to ship claiming out of stock. Then I look at the current listings and see that he has huge numbers of listings for the IDENTICAL item that I ordered that he claimed was out of stock still running a week later. So what I think is this is a power seller gone bad but apparently ebay does not track dynamically so it will be a long time before they NARU the creep. With computer technology it really is a simple matter to do dynamic monitoring and if ebay was very serious about protecting customers do have analytical flags in the protection system for power sellers, sellers with huge increases in listings. avg ticket price etc that would make it pretty easy to quickly ID and deal with the bad guys. Seems it would really make ebay a whole lot better for buyers and sellers. In my case this bad seller wasted a week of my time, and I had to buy the item locally at a much higher price as my time window had expired.
posted on May 1, 2005 08:15:08 AM new
Sellers shouldn't be aloud to run auctions for merchandise they don't have. The problem is so many Powersellers use a dropship program. I notice that it now takes me longer to get orders from most places I deal with, so if I sold items I didn't have it would be a month before the customer would get it if I did the practice of ordering when sold. What most Sellers fail to realize is that when a lot of their merchandise is coming from China,these companies in the USA only order some of the inventory once or twice a year. The rest of the time they are out of the item. I have found that true with some of the companies I buy from. Or they discontinue items and you don't know that unless you ask. They will let you order the same thing until the cows come home,you'll never receive it.
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posted on May 1, 2005 08:30:47 AM new
I won't use a drop shipper and I state so in my auctions. I want to have the product on hand and I want control of shipping it. That way, I know what condition the item really is in when it's shipped.
posted on May 1, 2005 09:15:40 AM new
Forward the e-mail with full headers to ebay. As per the ebay user agreement, sellers are not to list items in which they do not have on hand or deliver within a short time frame. This seller is in violation of that. Also be sure to file with PayPal ASAP to get your money back.
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posted on May 1, 2005 12:17:18 PM new
excellent advice I had already forwarded the email to ebay and have just now filed with paypal. I hope they NARU the SOB before they screw over anyone else!
posted on May 1, 2005 04:00:24 PM new
Regardless of the drool dripping from the liver-lips of Skippy, The Great Cosmic Used-Car Salesman,PRE-SALE listings are perfectly feeBay-legal -- all DROP-SHIP listings are Pre-Sales!
Ya just have to FOLLOW THE RULES:
"Pre-sale Listings are those that advertise the sale of items that are not in the control or possession of the seller at the time of the listing. These listings generally consist of items that are sold in advance of a delivery date to the general public.
eBay does permit pre-sales on a limited basis, as long as the seller guarantees that the item will be available for shipping within 30 days from the date of purchase (i.e., the day the listing ends or the date the item is purchased from a store front listing).
A seller who lists a pre-sale item on eBay must clearly indicate within the listing the fact that the item is a pre-sale item and a delivery date that indicates the item will be shipped by the 30th day from the end date of the listing. Additionally, this text must be no less than the default font size of the eBay Sell Your Item form. Currently the default font size is HTML font size 3. eBay will end any listing that is a pre-sale which does not include this information.
Such a policy ensures that bidders can pay for an item and still have the option to use eBay's feedback system, Fraud Protection Program and other protections.
eBay, at it's discretion, for special promotional events, may approve a 1st party manufacturer to sell an item outside of the 30-day pre-sale guideline so long as the first-party manufacturer is supplying the actual item for sale. These exceptions will be made for certain promotions and must be approved prior to listing items for sale on eBay that fit the exception above."
Some DROP-SHIPPERS are WUNDERFUUUL, and some are SNAKES!
Once ya find a GOOD drop-shipper, NEVER let GO!
"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me."—Guess Who? Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
posted on May 1, 2005 06:26:08 PM new
WOW!!! Ebay's policy on drop shipping sure sounds reassuring and tends to give one the warm and fuzzy feeling that it's safe to bid away on these auctions. The fact of the matter is that selling something you don't own, or have in your possession is fraud and can be prosecuted as a criminal offense. The seller, depending on the state he lives in, is counting on the supplier to keep his butt out of prison. There are certain exemptions that apply for unforseen circumstances that the corporate attornies for mail order houses such as Speigel and Sears are well acquainted with, but the average Ebay seller striving to become a powerseller is playing with fire when he puts his trust and future in the hands of Wun Hung Lo in Shanghai, or a .com in the U.S. with only a P.O. Box for a corporate address.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
posted on May 3, 2005 07:09:21 PM new
Followup on this bad seller. Ebaymotors refuses to investigate because the email the seller sent me indicating that they were out of stock was not sent from the sellers ebay registered email address! So I guess the news is if you want to be a bad ebay seller and get away with it just be sure to send outgoing mails from an address other than your ebay registered address and dont worry about it at all! I also discovered this sellers has hundreds of retracted feebacks. Apparently his strategy is when he gets a negative froma customer due to non delivery and non refund he leaves the customer a hostile negative, the customer then complains and he then offers to do a mutual withdrawl of feedback so he doesnt have to bear the bad feedback that he deserves! Oh well I guess I will just stop buying anything on eBay as that certainly solves the problem!
posted on May 3, 2005 08:47:29 PM new
Post,,,,,,,WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Now that IS an EYE opener fer sure......How tricky,, and it WORKS with e bay,,,,,,,,,hahahaha, Yeah e bay,,,,,,,,,A SAFE place to BUY. hahahaha......they are NOTHING but a VENUE......A swapmeet parking lot!
So as in Every OTHER part of the WORLD,,,,,,,Buyers BEWARE,,,,,,,,READ feed backs!
posted on May 3, 2005 09:26:26 PM new
Unbelievable....That is a loophole that Ebay needs to close immediately. They are in fact aiding and abbeting fraudulant activity on their site. This is a situation than needs to be brought to the attention of the state Attorney General, and the District Attorney for Santa Clara County. My very first reaction would be, if this happened to me, would be to contact a reporter for the Los Angeles Times and spell out the whole scenario. Ebay is pushing this "just a venue" defense to the limit. As soon as they cross the line, you better believe there will be some crooked assed high power lawyer from Beverly Hills or San Francisco that will bring them to their knees.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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