pixiamom
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posted on March 15, 2008 08:29:29 PM new
At first, I thought this was the most unpatriotic WWI era postcard I've seen. A friend suggested it is tongue-in-cheek. Any opinions would be appreciated.
[ edited by pixiamom on Mar 15, 2008 08:30 PM ]
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mcjane
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posted on March 15, 2008 09:23:58 PM new
Strange card.
"maybe I'm not proud of him"
What the heck does that mean.
Could it be the boy thinks it's really HIS Uncle Sam not knowing who The symbolic Uncle Sam is.
I doubt it though cause that doesn't make sense either.
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pixiamom
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posted on March 15, 2008 09:53:54 PM new
My friend suggests it means "I'm really proud of him". I don't know, I rarely get the humor in 1910's postcards.
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roadsmith
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posted on March 15, 2008 10:17:30 PM new
Pixi: My vote is with your friend. I think it's tongue in cheek. "Maybe I'm not. . . . " is an old expression that means the opposite.
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merrie
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posted on March 16, 2008 09:44:05 AM new
I think it means he is proud. Emphasizing, the words PROUD and HIM.
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niel35
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posted on March 16, 2008 10:16:00 AM new
Thumbs up means, I'm for him or he's something special or whatever.
In Canada it means a totally different sign like the third finger up. At least it did when I was a kid.
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zippy2dah
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posted on March 16, 2008 10:20:18 AM new
Perhaps it has something to do with "pride goeth before destruction?" He's suggesting that he is not proud because pride might lead to a loss in the war?
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cblev65252
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posted on March 16, 2008 10:38:41 AM new
Gosh, that's cute. It's almost like an anti-war postcard of today.
Cheryl
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amber
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posted on March 16, 2008 10:41:57 AM new
I wondered if it was meaning "maybe I'm not proud of him, but he's proud of me", just a thought.
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kozersky
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posted on March 16, 2008 10:42:09 AM new
Perhaps the meaning is what it is - not everyone was for the war. Just as now, there were groups that opposed the war. Could be such a PC.
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cblev65252
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posted on March 16, 2008 10:43:25 AM new
That's what I was thinking, Bill, which would probably make this a great seller right now.
Cheryl
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bjboswell
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posted on March 16, 2008 03:14:10 PM new
Pix There was a great debate at that time in this nation not only over the war but the League of Nations that Pres Wilson wanted us to participate in. There were many people wanting no part of the rest of the world and all of "their" problems... isolationist. I think its a great card and if I were you I'd put money on it.
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sthoemke
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posted on March 16, 2008 05:12:01 PM new
Here is a page with a reference to the same postcard. It appears it might be protesting the United States' decision to join the 1st World War.
http://www.mainething.com/fow/apr07/index.htm
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pixiamom
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posted on March 16, 2008 08:18:47 PM new
Thanks all, especially thanks for the link. I'm starting to lean towards Roadsmith's view, that "maybe I'm not" was a popular phrase of the time that meant "I really am". The only cutesy political protest cards I can find of the era were for suffragettes - the others had a distinct bite to them. I do think it takes on a new meaning today and will tastefully try to market it as such.
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neglus
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posted on March 16, 2008 08:36:38 PM new
I can never understand those old cards either! BTW, in case it isn't signed, the artist is Twelvetrees
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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cblev65252
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posted on March 17, 2008 05:02:53 AM new
pixia - Just like there are anti-war protesters today, there were then as well. The difference is that they didn't get the publicity that anti-war protesters get today. My great aunt was an anti-war protesters (and suffragette). My grandmother found many anti-war literature among her belongings when she died in the 1970's.
Cheryl
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neglus
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posted on March 17, 2008 05:45:50 AM new
I know there was a Peace Movement based in Northfield MN (my daughter's college town and home of Paul Wellstone) during WWI.
Here is a postcard from that time:
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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neglus
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posted on March 17, 2008 05:48:13 AM new
Here's another - and now that I look at it, the artist COULD be Twelvetrees:
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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pixiamom
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posted on March 17, 2008 07:34:59 AM new
Here are some other listings of cards by Twelvetrees. I don't think he was anti-war.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Twelvetrees-postcard-Maid-in-America_W0QQitemZ6277879456QQihZ014QQcategoryZ916QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Twelvetrees-Never-Start-Anything-Cant-Finish-Postcard_W0QQitemZ330118071344QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3635QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
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neglus
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posted on March 17, 2008 07:40:55 AM new
You are right - this has to be an archaic form of speech as Roadsmith suggested - using "maybe" to indicate the opposite.
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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cblev65252
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posted on March 17, 2008 07:53:31 AM new
Pixia - I'm not saying Twelvetrees was anti-war. He was in the business of making money so I'm sure he'd design things to satisfy those on both sides of the issue.
Cheryl
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sthoemke
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posted on March 17, 2008 05:40:14 PM new
Found these on a website. Seems to be a Patriotic Uncle Sam series, maybe on the theme of going to war.
I think the postcard applies that sometimes it is neccessary to do something you may not be proud of, in this case, going to war.
http://julia.hanovercomputer.com/toy/nov01/catalog/Uncle%20Sam/gallery.htm
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