posted on August 25, 2001 10:24:05 PM new
Very interesting link..thanks. I will have to check it out more tomorrow. I have always been interested in this story.
posted on August 26, 2001 02:50:29 AM new
The military have had sats that can read license plates on cars and see golf balls on the green for years. The only reason they have not made public shots of this and other interesting things is they won't share with the public. Other governments know what they can do so it is secrecy for it's own sake.
The usual paranoid mind set that you owe the public who paid for all of this nothing.
posted on August 26, 2001 03:25:41 AM new"....certain individuals in the know" LoL!
My how useful science can be, particularly in desparate support of a fifteen year old hoax. Why not call it 'Jammal's Ark"? Oh, right, he finally admitted that railroad ties gave him his inspiration.
posted on August 26, 2001 05:48:21 AM new
They're all wasting their time.
I found it last week and dug it up.
It'll be on eBay next week.
No deadbeats please!
Bob, Downunder but never down.
posted on August 26, 2001 07:19:02 AM new
They can find a boat the right size down to the cubit and a dedication plaque in Hebrew with names and dates and a zillion stalls full of zebra crap/antelope crab etc/etc. and it would not matter - scientific types reject anything that does not match their world view just as well as hyper - religeous types do.
posted on August 26, 2001 07:32:06 AM new
The following article tends to implicate Sun Classics in promoting yet another hoax -- the infamous Bigfoot film.
I don't have a frame of the film to link to, but you'd recognize it immediately. Supposedly it was shot by two guys on horseback out in the high Sierras of California back in the late 60s and purports to show a 7-foot tall female (it had large, pendulous breasts) apelike creature hurrying away from the camera. It has been shown a thousand times since on Unsolved Mystery-type TV shows.
posted on August 26, 2001 11:42:15 AM new
If you will remember there was a thousands of years old BODY found in the Alps recently. Many well preserved bodies of religeous sacrifices were found in the Andes. If a fragil human body with clothing could be well preserved in the ice on a mountain then it is no surprise that a boat of heavy timbers covered with tar some 600 foot long and strong enough to float would survive - at least as wreakage.
posted on August 26, 2001 01:58:45 PM new
Gravid, that is a good point. But I feel that it lacks symmetry. What I mean is, is that the conditions high in the Alps during the last Ice Age and have allowed recent finds do not exist in the low mountains of Turkey. The extremely high altitude, dry, cold air that allows mummification to be natural in the Andes is not replicated with the low mountains in Syria. If the Ark existed and it came to land on a mountaintop as described AND the conditions were the same as those in the Andes or as the bodies found inside glaciers in the Alps, then there would be a possibility of preservation.
But even if such an Ark ever did exist and it all took place exactly as laid down in the old legends AND it managed to be preserved somehow, how would we ever know that it was the right one? The Ark was supposed to be rectangular in shape. Unfortunately, so are many cabins and ancient fortresses in the mountains.
As for me, the concept of a worldwide flood that drowned everything always struck me as nonsense. I asked myself, even as a kid, "Where did all that water come from that is not here today? And if it did drown the world, where did all that water go to when it supposedly receded?" Think about it.
Now, I've heard that last century and before, it was suggested that the center of the Earth was where it all came from and went to. And even some idiots today make the same claim. The rest just chalk it up to an unknowable miracle by God. Right.
It is more likely that a large area of the Earth was violently flooded. That has happened a lot in the planet's history. Planetary impacts from celestial objects cause tidal waves capable of lifting a strong boat up onto low mountaintops is entirely real and possible; the same for major earthquakes causing tidal waves. One writer even suggested that the south polar ice cap used to be larger, a hold over from the last ice age. Warming sea currents under-cut the coast of the gigantic sheet of ice and eventually, it gave way causing a gigantic tidal wave and drowning most of the earth. I see that as possible. But to rain for forty days and flood the entire surface of the Earth? Mere exaggeration from being retold too many times, IMO.
posted on August 26, 2001 06:55:32 PM new
You know Bolliar I was not too sure about the details of the mountain so I went to search a little and what I found was that instead of being one of a group of mountains Ararat is a stand alone volcanic mountain unrelated geographically to other mountains in Turky and is the highest by a wide margin at 16,940 feet so it does have a significant snow cap all year.
Here is a site with some nice pics.
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/1015/gara.htm
That was a surprise to me so I have to go find out some more.
posted on August 26, 2001 07:59:41 PM new
I just got this email today, and have seen others like it. Thought it would go well in this thread:
It is the year 2000 and Noah lives in the United States. The
Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one
year I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water, and I
want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind
of living thing on the earth.
Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark. "Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."
Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.
"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"
"Lord please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and
your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans. Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices.
Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.
I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S.Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls. However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls. The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls. When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard. Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe. Then the Army Corps of Engineer demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe. Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard! The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the
country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from the state that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a recreational water craft. Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding
the earth, it is a religious event and therefore unconstitutional. I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?"
"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has."
AMEN...
Rick
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
posted on August 26, 2001 11:33:37 PM new
This makes me wonder. Why is this area "unexplored"? If this "Aararat Anomalty" is exposed, it shouldn't be too hard to send in a climbing party and find out what it is.
