posted on August 26, 2001 02:23:25 PM new
I know! I know! Yes, let's just make sure that the Ten Commandments are posted EVERYWHERE in public schools and courthouses, prayer for all kids BEFORE each class starts, group prayer before test starts, and throw out all of the unnecessary science and replace it with good, wholesome, high moral value Biblical Teachings. That would curb all of the school violence, and everyone would qulify not only for a diploma at age eighteen, but also for sainthood.
posted on August 26, 2001 05:15:38 PM new
When my husband and I attended junior and senior high schools, we too went to school with fear for our safety. Not from guns, but knives and gangs. We had police at our school all the time, and when there were no problems, the police cars just circled the schools. The three major racial groups seem to segregated themselves. Kind of like one see's the inmates in prisons do.
When our first son started school and had his recess money taken away from him the first week, we decided our children weren't going to go through what we did. We put him in a private (religious) school, until we could move to a better area. Our sons never shared that they experienced any issues with safety at any school they attended.
But now we have students shooting and killing their peers, teachers or
anyone who angers them. What's the solution? Your URL offers (IMO) some good suggestions. I believe it's what they see modeled and are taught in their homes that makes a difference.
posted on August 26, 2001 06:23:32 PM new
Teaching compassion is great - but if the other people are not doing it then from a practical view removing the child from that enviroment is understandable.
We had friends who bought a house in the very bad area of a nearby town and had a young boy about to enter school. I asked how he was going to deal with that and they said some silly thing about he will have to "fortify himself".
That's easy for them to say - they are not out there in the school every day.
To make matters worse he is a thin frail looking kid with glasses. A bully's dream.
After a couple years of him coming home every few days beat up and never able to keep money or food for lunch without it being taken they finally moved away. The school authorities were zero help - they pretty much said what do you want us to do? Walk him from class to class by the hand? I don't think he will ever get over the experience he has been put through though.
posted on August 26, 2001 06:41:07 PM new
Violence in school made me so miserable that I droped out of high school twice; although I eventyually got a diploma and went onto college. I see two situations of school violence and terror. The first is gangs, bullies, and other terrorists. Those kids needs to be taken out of the local school system and sent to education camps with armed guards and 23 hour a day lock downs, IMO. The other is the Columbine-type tradjedy where a kid goes nuts and decides to blow away everyone. That is a whole other ball of wax. In neither case will religion be of much help.
I used to have a URL that would have gone nicely here now. It was about recent killings in religious schools. Seems that they aren't free of terrorists and insane murderers as well. No place is safe until we make a 100-percent effort to stop school violence.
posted on August 26, 2001 07:43:28 PM newBorillar, if you took the time to read the article, instead of posting your usual moanings and groanings, you would see what was in the article. But comming from a guy who could never discuss the facts I posted on Bill Clinton and his being your patriot, I guess I can understand where it is you come from.
Rick
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
posted on August 26, 2001 08:07:10 PM new
I had a horrible time being picked on in school until I had transformation and one day realized that it was their turn to be afraid of me. I found that all these people expect to go through a limited display of violence restricted to the school. But when you step outside the rules and actually hurt them and carry the fight outside the school then it is not fun anymore. My last two years were easy because they were terrified of me. Of course I had to take some pretty drastic action to reverse an ingrained view of me as a mark but I did so in a few cataclysmic weeks.
posted on August 26, 2001 08:50:24 PM new"Borillar, if you took the time to read the article, instead of posting your usual moanings and groanings, you would see what was in the article."
Funny, Rick, I don't believe that I've ever given YOU a personal slam! How Christian of you!
I went back and re-read the article to see what I missed and once again, there was nothing that I care to elaborate on. Your thread here was drifting off into whatever recycler that dead threads go to when no one posts in them. Instead, I generated some interest in this thread. Remind me not to do that for you again.
"But comming from a guy who could never discuss the facts I posted on Bill Clinton and his being your patriot, I guess I can understand where it is you come from."
MORE slamming! What a great Christian you are with your quotes of "In the Beginning ..."
Bill Clinton is not my patriot as I am not a Democrat. I do, however, dislike the way he was treated in office by Republicans and self-righteous hypocrites. I disliked the X-Ray exposure that they gave to what everyone considers to be private. I disliked the Republicans putting all of the information on the Internet -- unprecedented >>EXPLITIVES<<! I disliked the Republican politicians taking the High Road about it and then threatening the Press when they were exposed for the hypocrites that they are by exposing THIER little moral lapses! I disliked Hillary being >>SLAMMED<< non-stop and then complaining when Elizabeth Dole was picked on in the 1996 Presidential race by her husband. I disliked the destruction of lives that Ken Starr did to so many innocent people, the harassments that only go on in the worst of tyrannical societies, turning this democracy into a dictatorship. I disliked the way that during the Impeachment Hearings in the House, Henry Hyde was asked point blank, "Do you think that the things that Clinton is accused of fulfills the requirements of High Crimes & Misdemeanors?" to which Hyde answered, "No." But he then went on anyway to persecute Clinton. I could go on and on and on about the NASTY Republican Politicians and the things that they did to Clinton and his family that was an abomination! You don't have to be a Democrat to have been outraged at the lawlessness and immoral behavior of Republican politicians towards Clinton and their entire hypocrisy -- you just have to be a decent person with VALUES and MORALS.
posted on August 26, 2001 08:57:04 PM new
Do you understand what it is to be a Christian, Borillar? Am I not allowed to defend myself or what I post? This from a poster who goes out of his way to "slam" anyone who does not agree with him? I will defend what I post in a manner that I deem fit, and I will respond as I need to. I have watched you and your blatherings, and I can fight fire with fire as I need to. Go yank someone elses chain. See, to me it does not really matter if my posts go "Your thread here was drifting off into whatever recycler that dead threads go to when no one posts in them.". I don't post for ego trips.
Rick
edited to change a word and add a ?
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
[ edited by ddicffe on Aug 26, 2001 09:05 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2001 09:34:45 PM newAhhhh here we go with all that diversity. Diversity=Variety Yooo hooo is anyone home...this is not diversity changing the subject to meet your own political agenda.
One of the topics in the article noted by DDICFE:
Thinking About the Other Guy
Helping kids have a sense of how other people feel and teaching them to reach out to people who are hurting is a powerful antidote to the violence in our culture. In her book Growing Compassionate Kids (Upper Room Books), author Jan Johnson says that compassionate children are able to put themselves in the shoes of another person and identify with that person's situation and motives. The challenge is helping kids, who are self-centered by nature, look outside of themselves and think about the other guy. Johnson explains that empathy requires imagination. "We must ask our kids to imagine how someone feels, how that person hurts, how desperate is that person's need for help," says Johnson.
posted on August 26, 2001 10:04:42 PM new
That would be by restoring <gasp> discipline to the schools. By making sure that parents *supported* school rules & teachers instead of tearing them down constantly. By insisting on a standard of conduct and adhering to it.
posted on August 27, 2001 09:57:48 AM new
It's not often I agree with Borillar, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to do so.
School violence, in the sense it can cause death (and unlike most schoolyard fist fights) is problem beyond conventional techniques, be they religious or secular in orientation.
The problem is that the violent kids are not listening to the message, regardless of the message. What kids such as the Columbine shooters need more than anything is social success.
Techniques for social success can be taught, to some extent, but only to those who have decided to "work on their problem". We should be clear in our understanding, such kids are unpleasant to be around. They will simply not respond (positively) to the social overtures of other people. A natural reaction is to figure out how not to be around them.
Most such kids mature, and go on to live productive, and socially successful lives. However, there exists a danger zone which is at its highest intensity during late high school.
During this danger zone, the kid is unreceptive to educational attempts. The best which can be done, hard as it is to swallow for most adults, is for the adult to offer continuing social contact without expecting any observable positive results. It would be nice if the kid's peers would do that too, but kids seldom process social problems in the a way which compels them to act directly against how they feel.
posted on August 27, 2001 10:42:43 AM new
I can't recall anyone I knew in High School who was a model for social success. The teachers were losers who could not have survived in a job in industry and the administrators were shallow maladjusted people who found great joy in control for it's own sake. The kids were typical self interested pop culture consumers who stereotyped everyone into neat cubbyholes that were subdivided into friends and enemies.
To expect them to draw out withdrawn teens who have zero respect for them is to expect a miricle.
For socially rejected teens who are mocked by their peers and targeted by the school for disipline school is something to simply survive.
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