krs
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posted on October 14, 2001 05:06:29 AM new
Guess somebody ought to clue them in...
"Your response to the attack does not make us feel
better about our son's death... It makes us feel our government
is using our son's memory as justification to cause suffering for
other sons and parents in other lands.'
The Rodriguez family is part of a growing network of relatives
opposing the attacks on Afghanistan."
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,573689,00.html
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Hjw
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posted on October 14, 2001 11:55:17 AM new
The response to the attack was not intended to make the victims families feel better about their relatives death. So, they should not feel personally guilty that this war is causing suffering for other sons and parents in other lands.
In fact, many people in many countries are now questioning this war.
If the goal was to find bin Laden, it should have been an easy job since most of his hiding places were built by the CIA when bin Laden and his men were the good guys. No bombs necessary for that quest.
But, instead of finding bin Laden we have killed innocent people and as a result, the world is beginning to question this war and where it is headed.
There seems to be confusion about what will happen next in Afghanistan. What countries are scheduled to be bombed next..Iraq? http://www.iht.com/articles/35624.html
I think that the families who are feeling guilt and responsibility for this war should instead look to President Bush and the Republican Administration and question their motives.
Helen
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internationalgolf
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:16:27 PM new
Yeah - I can only DREAM of what Gore and his crowd would have done in this situation.
What idiots!
[ edited by internationalgolf on Oct 14, 2001 12:17 PM ]
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toke
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:21:15 PM new
Gore..."That was a mosque?" 
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Zilvy
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:22:32 PM new
One family's or group statement in the light of great tragedy does not make it a trend, now does it? One rally amongst many.
Helen you have basically been saying the same thing couched with various IMO and news articles almost since the first "bomb plane" tore into the tower....get some new rehetoric it is getting really boring!!
[ edited by Zilvy on Oct 14, 2001 12:24 PM ]
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dman3
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:22:42 PM new
So what your saying is that anthrax scares country wide isn't enough antiwar Sentament for you ????
What is the point your tring to make here !!!
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toke
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:27:05 PM new
The heart that bleeds the most visibly and often, is the very bestest heart in the whole wide world.
Everyone knows that.
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Zilvy
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:27:39 PM new
Toke  Gore, what is a mosque?
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Meya
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:31:41 PM new
We have some family members who were avid Gore supporters and couldn't stand Bush. You should hear their different tune now.
As far as where the guilt belongs for this war, the terrorists alone are responsible. They brought this on their own people, a fact that doesn't bother them one bit.
No one "wants" war, or "likes" it. It is sometimes a necessary response, in spite of what some people think.
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Meya
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:32:26 PM new
Toke,
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Hjw
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:32:59 PM new
internationalgolf
It's over one month since the WTC and the Pentagon were hit and so far we haven't succeeded in finding bin Laden. We have retaliated aganist Afghanistan, and killed innocent women and children. Is that the kind of success that you are proud of?
Helen
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dman3
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:35:51 PM new
Who says the government hasn't found bin laden What is your source ???
And WHere have you heard this was there only goal in this war ???
I havent heard this very infactly one of the goals is to take the taliban out of power get bin laden and his top leaders.
And this was just the beging of the list not the end of what will be done...
and where is the remorse from these people about the innocent lives already lost here in the US..
when others show no remorse for human life no mercy should be given or shown to them..
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[ edited by dman3 on Oct 14, 2001 12:37 PM ]
[ edited by dman3 on Oct 14, 2001 12:38 PM ]
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plsmith
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:37:02 PM new
"The Rodriguez family is part of a growing network of relatives opposing the attacks on Afghanistan."
I read the entire article and was able to cull just four distinct names of relatives opposing the bombing of Afghanistan. Upwards of 5,000 people lost their lives in the WTC -- do the math. This opposition doesn't even reflect the percentage nationwide of people who were *not* directly affected by the attacks but who *do* oppose the war. If there's a "growing network", I'd like to see some proof...
edited to finish a sloppy sentence and terrible spelling
[ edited by plsmith on Oct 14, 2001 02:25 PM ]
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KatyD
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:44:57 PM new
Thank you plsmith. I was just about to make the same observation. 4 out of 5 or 6 thousand...??
It's over one month since the WTC and the Pentagon were hit and so far we haven't succeeded in finding bin Laden. We have retaliated aganist Afghanistan, and killed innocent women and children.
You forget that we just started military action one week ago today, so it hasn't really been a month. If you are looking for someone to blame for the loss of life of "innocent women and children", look no further than the Taliban, who not only have protected and hidden Bin Laden and his cronies, but are now actively promoting his agenda. Perhaps you have already forgotten the "innocent women and children" that were murdered by Bin Laden (and thus by extension, the Afghani Taliban) on September 11th.
KatyD
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dman3
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:48:44 PM new
Also was reported that Bin laden has been giveing loads of money to the taliban.
Basically the fact is he owns it with out him there is a chance they would have fallin out of power a while ago they are as much a part of his terrorist network as others are.
You cant take out one with out takeing out the other at this point bin laden and the taliban means the same thing...
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uaru
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posted on October 14, 2001 12:52:57 PM new
hjw I think that the families who are feeling guilt and responsibility for this war should instead look to President Bush and the Republican Administration and question their motives.
BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN!!!
The US Senate and House of Representatives voted 518 to 1 in support of military action as a response to the attack on America.
Analyis are still looking at the vote. There seems to be some debate as to whether or not the vote for a military response went along party lines.
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Hjw
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:01:11 PM new
The question posed by this thread is not really a count of families but the real motive of the Bush administration in starting this war. I believe that when the second plane hit the WTC that the war hawks were thinking...Now we can get Iran.
As far as numbers of people who are aganist this war, I believe that the increasing number of protests in London, Pakistan, Switzerland and Germany indicate a growing disatisfaction with the war.
Helen
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Meya
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:02:18 PM new
Oh brother.
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dman3
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:03:58 PM new
Hjw
To be honest I don't think there is one sane human who is satisfied about war .
the larger population would Rather live in peice togeather but this afternoon this dont seem to be posible..
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Zilvy
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:07:59 PM new
Well, I don't know about the rest of you but, I am definitely in favor of keeping the demonstrators satisfied they have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, they are only vaguely aware of the addendum and they have a right to protest. We the majority also have the right to have a government that will do what is needed to bring the Taliban, Terrorists and anyone harboring terrorists to their knees.
If these people who are protesting have a better idea of how to handle this situation and rid the world (or make a damned good beginning) of ridding the world of terrorism then let's here it. Peacenicks, you are too late the damage and death has been done...they started it we will finish it and every effort will be made to protect the innocent...There are no guarantees, just as there were none for the people in NYC or the Pentagon.
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plsmith
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:08:28 PM new
"The question posed by this thread is not really a count of families but the real motive of the Bush administration in starting this war."
I disagree, Helen. The fundamental point put forth in this thread (via a link to an article) was this:
"The Rodriguez family is part of a growing network of relatives opposing the attacks on Afghanistan."
And it didn't hold up to close scrutiny.
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bunnicula
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:09:01 PM new
Oh yes, folks were jumping up & down gleefully, rubbing their hands together as the second plane hit, saying "goody, goody! Now we can have a war!"
Wait a minute! HJW, that was the folks on the *other* side, wasn't it?
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Zazzie
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:09:46 PM new
Just has Bush has surprised everyone and has risen to the occasion and has become THE PRESIDENT, I'm sure Gore would have had done the same.
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Zilvy
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:12:04 PM new
Seven (count em) seven days ago today there was dissatisfaction with nothing being done...then the bombing began on October 7th.
Growing discontent...take an aspirin.
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NearTheSea
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:17:56 PM new
We have retaliated aganist Afghanistan, and killed innocent women and children. Is that the kind of success that you are proud of?
And the terrorist that were trained in Afghanistan has killed 5-6000 innocent women and children one month ago, with no warning.
Ya know we gave warning to Afghanistan. And bin Laden, who in his little video was very proud and of the fact that we were hit so hard, and that we should never feel safe again.
So we should do nothing.
Did Bush see this coming, as his chance to get Iraq? yeah right, no one saw this coming esp. those innocent women, men and children, firemen, police officers in NY and D.C.
oh brother is right.
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Hjw
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:18:27 PM new
http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/news/news01/oct01/891128.html
an Excerpt...
LONDON -- An estimated 20,000 people marched through central London in the largest demonstration in Europe yesterday against the military strikes in Afghanistan.
Some sang, others chanted, a few attempted to burn American and British flags, but police said the march, on an unseasonably warm day, was peaceful.
The organizers, the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, welcomed the large turnout, saying they hope to a create a broad coalition with protesters abroad.
"It is just remarkable of the high level of interest,'' said Nigel Chamberlain, the organizers' spokesman. "We might be in a minority in public opinion, but we are here to show that there are thousands of people against the war.''
London police intervened to stop attempts to burn a U.S. flag and a paper or cardboard Union Jack flag of Britain.
In Germany, more than 25,000 protesters took to the streets. The largest turnout was in the capital, Berlin, where about 15,000 demonstrators protested in the central Gendarmenmarkt square, police said. The rally was preceded by several peaceful marches held throughout the city .
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plsmith
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:21:06 PM new
Jeezy-peezy, Helen, you're off-topic!
(Whatsamatta, mule got the upper hand today?)
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ThriftStoreQueen
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:21:46 PM new
>>>We have retaliated aganist Afghanistan, and killed innocent women and children<<<
So who cares if they kill OUR innocent women and children.
ThriftStoreQueen <---who refuses to comment any further because it may make her blood pressure rise 
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Hepburn
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:22:10 PM new
Im sure all those people who are demonstrating against this action we are taking will continue even if their loved ones have been blown to smithereens, or maybe are laying in a hospital dying from biochemical warfare. Methinks some tunes will change if that happens.
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NearTheSea
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posted on October 14, 2001 01:24:26 PM new
They have every right to protest.
Is that right? who knows.
I do know that I do support this war on Terrorism, and what is being done about it.
Should we have done nothing for them essentially bombing NY and D.C. ?
Everyone has an opinion, but sometime, someone had to make a decision and so far, IMO it is the right one.
Some would have wanted us to turn the other cheek over this? whatever, that is their opinion.
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