stusi
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posted on October 19, 2001 07:04:02 PM new
I can't help but think that the anthrax incidents are at least in part being perpetrated by an ultra right wing fanatic of the Unibomber type. Maybe a laid off chemical plant worker. Almost every attack has been directed at either a Liberal, a Democrat or the "Liberal" press! The attack at Gov. Pataki may be an exception but it's possible that a not-too-bright person may have somehow thought him to be a Dem or Liberal since he is from New York. These attacks seem so unimaginative compared to the WTC that I just have a gut feeling that another group or individual is involved. What do you guys think?
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REAMOND
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posted on October 19, 2001 07:10:59 PM new
Since some of the mail was post marked from Malaysia, I think it is the same group that did the hi jackings.
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saabsister
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posted on October 19, 2001 07:16:53 PM new
I certainly wouldn't rule it out at this point, stusi. The security at type culture collections was tightened after an Aryan Nations member got a sample of plague from one of these companies in the 1990s.
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donny
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posted on October 19, 2001 07:24:08 PM new
That Malaysia mailing is out, it wasn't anthrax after all. And, the NY Post isn't hardly the "Liberal" press.
And now it looks like we're mailing anthrax from the U.S. to other countries. This bothers me. Do we have enough anthrax that we can afford to be sending it all around to Brazil and who knows where when we all haven't had a chance at it here yet? Americans first, that's what I say!
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dman3
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posted on October 19, 2001 07:24:43 PM new
Well Definately its unimaginative, What terrorist are doing is makeing fears brought out by the media and goverment come to lite..
many people who worked in the trade center the first time it was bombed certinly had fears it could happen again and could be worse the press played this tune a lot i'm sure some reporter even did a story about a plane crashing into it at some point.
Not only has there been talk in the news about fears of bio terror inside the USA since the gulf war, but not many hours after the hijackings on 9/11 the media and washington were talking fear of bio war fair in side this country anthrax was under lined by the media as a big threat not more then a week or so after a deadly case of anthrax on the new in FLA and and many more reports start showing up on the news.
if you want to pry on the fears of millions of americans all you have to do is watch network news, and even read these message boards on the internet.
this don't take much imagination but it does take a good planing, I supose technically you could say anthrax could grow on trees but its my guess they didn't get this stuff off of trees, who ever They are ...
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stusi
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posted on October 19, 2001 08:12:53 PM new
Donny- The NY Post could easily be perceived to be a Liberal paper particularly by someone from outside the state who is not familiar with it. REAMOND- I think there may be several sources at play here. It's almost as though there are some who consider this a "coming out" party for psychos where anything goes! (eg.- copycats)
I, along with all others I am sure, would just like to see one person get caught already.
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stusi
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posted on October 27, 2001 08:08:10 PM new
Just heard on the local news that government websites are now stating that the most likely perpetrators of the anthrax attacks are domestic right wing extremists.
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gravid
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posted on October 27, 2001 08:12:07 PM new
The letter to the House seems different than the others. It was treated to keep the spores from clumping - maybe they sprayed it with that anti-static cling stuff.
Why not more than one source?
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NearTheSea
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posted on October 27, 2001 08:24:23 PM new
This anthrax stuff could be (since your talking theories here) to have us all concentrated on Anthrax, while they do something else, while we're not *looking*.
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stusi
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posted on October 27, 2001 08:54:51 PM new
gravid- There could, of course, be more than one source. The different "types" of anthrax may not be due to any intentional reasons but rather some lunatic just using what was available.
NearTheSea- That would be quite possible, although what could it be a diversion from?
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:05:21 PM new
"...what could it be a diversion from?"
Well, last week there were TWO incidents of crop dusters being TOTALLY off the mark with their spraying. (In Mississippi.)
One (and maybe both) of the planes has never been identified. And (so we've been told) neither sprayed anything more "harmful" than fertilizer.
Can you say "trial run"?
We've (FAA/Federal Government) allowed small planes back into the air, unrestricted for the most part. With "tighter" rules about filing flight plans. Uhhh, couldn't a terrorist file a flight plan according to the rules and then -- oops! -- NOT follow the damn plan?
I hope to hell the FBI/FAA are playing-down these two crop duster incidents in hopes of luring/catching those who are planning to use them to wreak serious damage. (We already have evidence that crop dusters were checked out by some of the known 9-11 terrorists.) If they're instead just dismissing these two incidents as "mistakes", I say woe is us...
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:09:06 PM new
It would seem to me that if the terrorists were behind this, they would have sent out the anthrax letters on or before the 11th, to avoid the high security measures taken after the 11th.
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:12:22 PM new
I think its both. I also think the media was a target for the ultimate news coverage giving them the most bang for the buck. I cant help but think (I try to think positive) that the whole thing was intended to be much bigger but failed, regardless who did it. and I think it was intended to cripple our resources and spreading us thin meaning something else would have to follow at that point. so plan three is my concern.
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:14:11 PM new
Yeah, right. Our "security measures" have been no match for these anthrax mailings. Even the gov't admits to that.
And while we scurry to ward off/anticipate the threat of future anthrax mailings, the terrorists' "game" will shift to some area we aren't monitoring closely.
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stusi
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:15:18 PM new
kraft- good point!
plsmith- you are right of course about the crop-dusting incidents but I don't think the apparent failure to "catch" the planes was due to any distraction created by the anthrax situation. I hope you are right about a strategy.
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gravid
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:18:00 PM new
So that was just a run to see how the authorities responded to a worrysome spraying?
Sounds like a very high risk for information only. If they had gotten a missile up the butt and not sprayed any active agent what a loss that would have been. Doesn't sound like the way these suicidal terrorists think. Unless it is another group who think different. Maybe wanted to see if they would be tracked home with radar or satellite before risking their base of operations. If they are not trackable they are safe to commit to multiple sorties and not have to use up their stocks on one flight. This first time they might have flown back to a false base and sat watching to see if they would be tracked and someone would show up and raid them on the ground.
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stusi
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:18:05 PM new
does anyone know where the smallpox "scare" originated?
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:19:36 PM new
plsmith! nice to see you. yes that is my biggest concern. it will not be what we expect or what is obvious. it will be difficult for them at this point but ???
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:24:01 PM new
Gravid, maybe they were trial runs to test the accuracy of the spray patterns. Obviously, i have no idea, but it seems beyond strange to me that these planes flew low over two separate targets and NO ONE saw their tail numbers AND there's no record (Flight Plan, hahaha!) of their take-off/landing. Now, either the gov't knows more than we've been told in the press OR we are being "protected" by The Keystone Kops. I truly hope it's the former...
Edited to add: Hiya, Breiny! I dunno what's going to happen... where, when, how. I just feel like we're at the beginning of something horrific that is going to last indefinitely. And that we're up against an "enemy" our 200 billion dollar military budget can't eliminate 
[ edited by plsmith on Oct 27, 2001 09:27 PM ]
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stusi
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:25:31 PM new
does anyone know where the smallpox "scare" originated?
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:27:07 PM new
i dont
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:27:50 PM new
hope that helps
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:33:08 PM new
i think it can be done plsmith. the gulf war was a testing ground for tons of equipment never before used. it shows now by the difference in accuracy compaired to the gulf war. but here in the states ? that worries me. sometimes it feels like shopping mall security here.
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:36:31 PM new
stusi-looks like nobody knows. at least i admit it. now i want to know!
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:42:13 PM new
stusi (waving hi!  ), I'm not really sure what you mean...."where" the smallpox scare originated??? And what scare? (Duh!)
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:43:43 PM new
What smallpox scare are ya talkin' about, Stusi? I haven't heard of one (as in an official be-on-the-lookout-for warning) -- in fact, the only time I've heard smallpox mentioned at all is when news "analysts" get on the air and start explaining which biological agents are the most lethal. Smallpox beats anthrax.
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gravid
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:49:02 PM new
If this is a real danger then we should all have the right to buy stinger missiles and other antiaircraft devices for self defense. Sure that's going to make the crop dusters nervous but we are all adults and I bet they are a lot more careful with overspray. A guy just doesn't have the time to call in a flight of fighters when those darned spray planes swoop down. There should be open season on any without tail numbers.
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:55:45 PM new
Heck, Gravid, the brief party you and Cliffy had the other night (showing off your milling machines, etc.) told me you don't need gov't missiles. Looked to me like you and he have the wearwithal to make some decent firepower of your own.
All I've got is a potato gun...
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:56:18 PM new
isn't it stupid that with all the fear that someone cant arrange a pubic announcement when a crop duster is going to do its thing? just to let people know so they don't flip when they see one.
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:58:00 PM new
Smallpox beats anthrax.
Only because Anthrax is not contageous..
Inhaled Anthrax kills 80%-90%
Smallpox kills 30%
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