mark090
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:09:06 PM new
When I go somewhere and someone wants to verify information about me, such as name, address, etc. they ususally ask for my driver's license. With it they can find all about me. The only people who want my credit card information want my money. When some one calls you on the phone and needs your CC# to "verify your information" , they are scam artists with all intentions of ripping you off.
So AW, why not use Driver/Non-Driver ID#. They are less prone to "abuse" and if a hacker gets to them, what have they got?
Or do you have future intentions with those numbers???????
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Meya
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:11:51 PM new
The only people who want my credit card information want my money.
You hit the nail on the head.
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december3
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:19:58 PM new
So AW, why not use Driver/Non-Driver ID#.
Because it makes too much sense.
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mark090
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:26:26 PM new
Because it makes too much sense.
Yes, let us get real. I walked into a government building the other day and they wanted to see some ID to, and I quote, "verify who I said I was" end quote. Imagine the laughter and the click of the handcuffs if I even attempted to show them a credit card.....
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stockticker
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:41:30 PM new
Requiring a U.S. driver's licence for verification would:
a) eliminate all non-American posters (unless there was some way AW could verify the validity of drivers' licences from other countries - doubtful)
b) eliminate posters who don't drive and haven't seen the need to get a drivers' licence (I suspect that group may be larger than those who don't own credit cards)
[ edited by stockticker on Oct 29, 2001 06:42 PM ]
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Shadowcat
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:45:14 PM new
Damn. There goes my chance to use my Dutch driver's license...and it actually sports a great pic of me.
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mark090
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posted on October 30, 2001 09:45:57 AM new
Requiring a U.S. driver's licence for verification would:
I did not say U. S. Driver's License
a) eliminate all non-American posters (unless there was some way AW could verify the validity of drivers' licences from other countries - doubtful)
Non-US countries have must stricter and tighter ID controls than the U. S. and Credit Card companies. Their ID's would be better for "verifying" if that is its only purpose.
b) eliminate posters who don't drive and haven't seen the need to get a drivers' licence (I suspect that group may be larger than those who don't own credit cards)
I did say "Non-Driver's ID's. Everyone should have should have some sort of Offical ID type no matter what country you are from, especially in today's world. If you do not, you probably do not have a credit card either.
Heck, if an ID is too difficult, use the information the Credit Card companies use, your phone number and your mother's maiden name....
[ edited by mark090 on Oct 30, 2001 09:48 AM ]
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stockticker
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posted on October 30, 2001 09:51:57 AM new
What kind of official non-credit card ID would AW know was legitimate?
Indeed, how could AW verify that a driver's license number legitimately belonged to the person who was trying to post?
By the way, there was an interesting point raised in the EO about AW plans to use credit cards simply for verification. That may be in violation of their merchant agreements with the various credit card companies.
Irene
[ edited by stockticker on Oct 30, 2001 09:54 AM ]
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mark090
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:00:11 AM new
How could AW accurately verify that the holder of a CC was who they said they were? Make a charge and see who complained? To get a Credit card all I need is a name off a gravestone, SSAN, temporarily rented address and a temporary phone number. To get an initial driver's license or Non-driver's ID I need an Official Birth Certificate with a raised seal and have to personally show up to have my picture taken.
If someone were writing you a check, which one would you accept at your place of business????
However, if you were looking to make easy money, which would you accept???
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stockticker
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:04:19 AM new
As far as I'm aware, we don' have any official "Non-driver's ID" here in Canada. I'd never heard of it until I read your post.
Irene
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stockticker
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:08:27 AM new
I remember when I registered at a stock investment web site about 5 or 6 years ago. The password was actually snailed to me as a way of verifying that my address was legitimate. That of course would be way too expensive here in both terms of postage and manpower.
Irene
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:09:22 AM new
stockticker - wondering how people in Canada who never had a DL get bank account, etc...
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stockticker
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:14:16 AM new
Rachel: I didn't have any problem without a driver's license.
I had my first bank account when I was 11 years old - I certainly wasn't driving then. As an adult, I am required to give my social insurance number when opening a personal account (income tax is owed on interest earned). For a business bank account, I was required to show my business registration certificate.
Irene
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:20:22 AM new
stockticker - hmmm - yeah, I got a bank account (in the u.s.) when I was a kid and didn't have any id but if I recall correctly my mom had to sign for me and they wanted to see her DL (I don't know what they would've asked for if she hadn't had a DL)...later on (after I was on my own) I still didn't get around to getting a DL until I was 23yrs. old. The banks here that I used - required a state ID in that case...ed darn typos...
[ edited by rachelcrisscross on Oct 30, 2001 10:22 AM ]
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mark090
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:22:49 AM new
Stockticker...
Non-Driver ID# as issued by the Motor Vehicle Dept. as a proof of Age and ID to standardize all the various ID's counties were using. It eliminated the need for Sheriff's ID's and such. Plus it made applying for learner's permits and Driver's Licenses easier and more streamlined(at least that was the purpose)
What do you use for proof of age to enter a bar? A credit card would only make them laugh here.
What I am saying here is that I have a problem with anybody who requires a CC# to verify who you are, that is the first step in most phone scams and it is a load of cow dung. A credit card verifies NOTHING. I myself have Credit Cards but I know many people who do not. The have several other much more secure type ID's yet they can not be members of AW. Why....maybe they aren't monetarily advantageous to have....
[ edited by mark090 on Oct 30, 2001 10:24 AM ]
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stockticker
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:45:12 AM new
Mark090: It's been so long since I've had to prove that I was over 18 that I don't remember. 
Irene
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krs
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:47:48 AM new
So then, mark090, you would like to see everyone submit a license like this:
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mark090
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posted on October 30, 2001 10:51:03 AM new
I long for the days when the person at the door said "May I see your ID please"
I have a friend I went to school with and she was a year older than me. She is still carded at bars (she is 43) Makes you think she is related to Dick Clark. Heck, if she had an attic I would have to go up there and see if there was an aging painting of her...
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mark090
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posted on October 30, 2001 11:01:11 AM new
krs...
Where does your DMV get those untrained photographers???? Here in New York ours have to take a six-month course in taking pictures of people from their bad side, in the worst light, under bad circumstances...all at once.
But no, just the type and number of ID
Driver's License: NY xxx xxx xxx
That number, matched with my address and SSAN verify my Identity better than a credit card could.
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stockticker
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posted on October 30, 2001 12:01:48 PM new
Mark090: KRS, as usual, is being tricky. Right-click on his image. 
Irene
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uaru
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posted on October 30, 2001 12:11:25 PM new
How does one check a driver's licence online?
With a credit card the numbers, name, expiration date, and address must match. The users IP address will probably be in the same location of the billing address also and may be a another ID measure measure used by AW. It would be a rather automated process. I'm not sure how you'd do such an automated process with driver's licenses.
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krs
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posted on October 30, 2001 12:22:22 PM new
"The users IP address will probably be in the same location of the billing address also and may be a another ID measure measure used by AW"
IP addresses have nothing whatsoever that is verifiable against a billing address, unless you think that all users of yahoo.com live in New York. Not even AOL IPs are necessarily americans on line.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on October 30, 2001 12:23:30 PM new
Many people surf with a proxy.
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jt-2007
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posted on October 30, 2001 02:28:20 PM new
I ask again, what it if they just e-mail you a link that said "click here to register" like every other place does.
One place, (a kid board on a corporate site), CALLED ME ON THE PHONE, talked to me at length, then very abruptly asked to SPEAK TO THE KID just to make sure I ACTUALLY had one. Bet that's a new one for most of you.
AW can call me if they want. Just change the moderator job description to "telemarketer".
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uaru
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posted on October 30, 2001 02:48:52 PM new
I never realized how reluctant people are to enter their credit card as a form of ID. I've had to enter it on eBay if I want to register with a web-based email, I've had to enter it on Yahoo to bid, even if I'm going to pay via a check.
Are those sites crippled by the same demand? I never really considered it such a big deal, I'm a bit surprised at some of the reactions.
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