nycyn
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posted on April 22, 2002 06:12:04 PM new
but still--
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/22/nyregion/22IDEN.html
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gravid
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posted on April 22, 2002 06:30:52 PM new
I remember that part of the reason police are trying to refuse DNA testing for criminals that request it for years old cases is that the testing can be thousands of dollars - so since they are testing any fragment they find they may test a dozen pieces that turn out to be one person. The cost of this must run into the tens of millions of dollars just for the lab work alone. It is mind boggling. I would never expect them to do that for me if I had a relative in one of the towers. I would never delude myself that someone was going to turn up months later. I hope the insurance companies are not holding the funds families need over this testing. That would be cruel.
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nycyn
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posted on April 22, 2002 06:47:43 PM new
I pass the refrigerator trailers every day. The ratio of uniformed ID'd Seems to significantly outweigh the ununiformed. Just my anecdotal observation.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 22, 2002 06:53:03 PM new
"Still, everyone expresses thanks for the monumental effort taking place at ground zero and at labs across the country. The identifications help families escape what Mrs. Regan calls the "vanish factor": not having anything tangible on which to focus the last goodbyes."
What a monumental effort it will take to identify some people. Besides the cost, can you imagine the emotional turmoil that is involved every single day.
Gravid, I wondered also about insurance claims. What will happen to those people who can't verify that a body exists?
nycyn,
I made your link clickable.http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=144128
You were asking how to do the link the other day.
It's just like this....
[url]http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=144128[/url ]
I left a space in the last tag...close the space when you add the next one and it will work.
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 22, 2002 07:04:04 PM new
"I pass the refrigerator trailers every day."
What a horrible site that must be for you. How do you cope?
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nycyn
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posted on April 22, 2002 07:12:21 PM new
Helen,
Thanks. Big one for me. I'll try.<s>
Cyn
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nycyn
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posted on April 22, 2002 07:22:48 PM new
>>What a horrible site that must be for you. How do you cope?<<
Everthing is a soup. I never thought of it as a horrible site. Just your everyday row of white humming trailers backed up to a big white tent kind of thing.
I drink Coors Light. I terrorize denizens of chat boards. eBay was a big distraction but now it is a big PIA. I've discovered the VCR. I dream of getting out of here.
[ edited by nycyn on Apr 23, 2002 06:42 AM ]
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alwaysbroke
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posted on April 24, 2002 12:54:36 PM new
When you live somewhere besides NY you can choose to "forget" 9/11 for a while by not reading the paper or skipping that part of the news. If you have to drive by it everyday, nycyn, it must be awful. Refrigerated trailers? I had no idea. I guess you won't lobby for terrorists' legal rights any time soon.
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nycyn
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posted on April 24, 2002 01:21:01 PM new
I love your little Guiness drinker!
>>If you have to drive by it everyday<<
Drive? Drive? This is NYC! Most of do everything on foot which makes shipping a major pain in the butt.
But yeah, I'd say there's an easy, hm, 8 ? long trailers out there, next to Bellvue.
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alwaysbroke
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posted on April 24, 2002 02:40:23 PM new
" 8 ? long trailers out there, "
I don't remember ever seeing any of those trailers on the news. Maybe they thought it would be too upsetting.
I'm glad you like the little drinking guy!
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nycyn
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posted on April 24, 2002 02:58:55 PM new
>>I don't remember ever seeing any of those trailers on the news. Maybe they thought it would be too upsetting.<<
Funny what we consider ordinary anymore, huh? Never thought I was opening a can of worms. These trailers and tent are behind what has always been the city morgue; can't be seen from the front.
Nothing is too upsetting for the media. They probably are just not allowed back there. And what they hell are they going to protest? The storage methods of approx. 197,000 "remains".
Just envision an action-cam: I'm reporting to you live from the nyc morgue refrigeration area? Shudder. I don't know what families know. I don't want to know. I don't know that they need to know this. Or maybe everybody knows this.
The trailers are all white and lined up nicely, are clean, and the backs are draped with purple and black swags.
The Salvation Army has a food/beverage/solace tent 24x7 just outside for EMT's and whoever else has to roll in.
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alwaysbroke
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posted on April 24, 2002 03:59:37 PM new
No, I don't think it would benefit anyone to see a walk-through of the trailer area! Knowing they are there is enough without touring them, too. I just didn't realize it was still that bad. I thought it was mostly debris by now. No wonder you want to move!
Maybe they'll invent virtual vacations, you know, like the movie "Total Recall." If you can't afford the real trip, take a VR trip. LOL
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nycyn
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posted on April 24, 2002 04:53:59 PM new
>>I just didn't realize it was still that bad.<<
I don't think many people could fathom how enormous this was. These buildings and this complex was enormous. This was a city on 16 acres or so suddenly pulverized. Everything and everybody. If this happened an hour later there could've been 10,000 dead; I thought there were actually. There was an 80 mile plume of poison. It burned for a record 4? months. They're tidying it up real fast down there; it is real estate after all. NYPD sift thru the rest like kiddies in a sandbox over on Staten Island, except for the recent pocket they opened where they found more uniformed...
I'm babbling again.
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alwaysbroke
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posted on April 24, 2002 06:51:41 PM new
It may be babbling to you, but it's news to me. The news media is focusing on what they may/may not do with the property. They've done this to the point where you forget the damage (16 acres!!!). It's easy to think it's nearly done. So go ahead & babble away; we could call you "brook" 
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nycyn
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posted on April 24, 2002 07:59:08 PM new
What blows my mind is that the WTC proper covered a mere 16 acres, but that's what they say. 16 acres x what, 110 stories as the epicenter?
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gravid
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posted on April 24, 2002 08:25:52 PM new
Most people don't want to be forced to understand how the clean up works anymore than they want to know the history of the hamburger in the clean little plastic tray.
It is not nice. The media do have this restraint. - They know that if they really upset people on the air then they will not tune in again soon. Since they depend on viewer hours to sell ads they will do nothing that chases them away.
I found out at another unrelated site that the common DNA test now is down to about $40.00. Still ads up buut not a major part of what is already such a huge expensive undertaking. (Did not mean to pun.)
Do you think people in NY will adapt those "Ginger" scooters coming out this year? Will they be allowed to take them in buildings and up elevators to their office where they would not be stolen?(http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/24/segway.testing/index.html)
[ edited by gravid on Apr 24, 2002 09:02 PM ]
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alwaysbroke
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posted on April 25, 2002 04:44:57 AM new
I live in rural (near farm land) area. So when I hear 16 acres, I mentally link x# farms together. If a tornado were to hit that area all at once, to me, that would be a huge area.
What struck me as amazing when watching the videos of the WTC falling, was that it fell straight down, inward. It looked like old films I've seen of engineered demolitions in which highly-trained engineers carefully set the explosives so the building would fall (in - not out) with the least damage to surrounding buildings. I watched the film over & over just to try to understand this. I thought it would blast outward in a wide circle, blasting down nearby structures.
They have probably added this "study" to engineering courses in our universities.
For 2 weeks after 9/11, I was a useless human being. I sat in front of the TV crying watching msnbc 24 hours a day. This NEVER happened before - not with the OK bombing or the embassy in Africa, not when that ship was hit.
Unlike you, I don't have to see it everyday, and do fine. I do still follow the news; something I've never bothered too much with before.
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alwaysbroke
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posted on April 25, 2002 04:47:33 AM new
What are Ginger scooters. Is it that personal scooter thing they came out with this year? I can see nycyn zipping along the NY sidewalks with her packages! LOL!
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nycyn
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posted on April 26, 2002 07:37:22 PM new
>>I found out at another unrelated site that the common DNA test now is down to about $40.00. Still ads up buut not a major part of what is already such a huge expensive undertaking. (Did not mean to pun.)<<
Problem is that much that remains of the remains is so far gone it is unidentifiable by current state-of-the-art dna testing.
>>Do you think people in NY will adapt those "Ginger" scooters coming out this year? Will they be allowed to take them in buildings and up elevators to their office where they would not be stolen?<<
I don't think this thing will take off. Too expensive. Too high maintence. Needs refueling/charging too frequently, but most importantly, 75% of the denizens of NYC would not waste an opportunity to burn a calorie for one minute.
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nycyn
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posted on April 26, 2002 07:44:24 PM new
>>What struck me as amazing when watching the videos of the WTC falling, was that it fell straight down, inward. It looked like old films I've seen of engineered demolitions in which highly-trained engineers carefully set the explosives so the building would fall (in - not out) with the least damage to surrounding buildings<<
Some have boasted that the Towers were intentionally designed this way. They did take a few buildings out with them, tho', but not to that extreme.
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nycyn
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posted on April 27, 2002 07:23:46 PM new
This has been the protocol for months except for those whose job descriptions include daily risk of life anyway:
http://1010wins.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_625232294_html
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