Borillar
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posted on May 14, 2002 10:16:58 PM new
WASHINGTON (CNN)
"We know it's the Republicans' strategy to use the war for political gain, but I would hope that even the most cynical partisan operative would have cowered at the notion of exploiting the September 11 tragedy in this way," said Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, in a written statement.
Don't Republicans have ANY respect for Anyone or Anything??
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sulyn1950
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posted on May 15, 2002 09:47:50 AM new
Well, I am NO Republican, but anyone who thinks selling a "set" of photographs to raise campaign money and one of those photos just happens to be a photo of a very somber looking President sitting on AF1 on the phone (yes, admittedly following 9/11) is "Grotesque" is IMHO a tad overly sensitive or has resorted to acts of desperation to try and knock a few points off the Prez's current popularity.
I, quite frankly, find it offensive that anyone would try and make a big to do about it.
It's as ridiculous as those people wanting the makers of the next movie in the 'Lord Of The Rings' trilogy to change the title from the 'Two Towers' because they see at as "cashing in" on the 9/11 tragedy....
Typos- Please overlook any I may have missed...
[ edited by sulyn1950 on May 15, 2002 09:52 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on May 15, 2002 04:00:11 PM new
I believe that Gore summed it up very well when he said, "While most pictures are worth a thousand words, a photo that seeks to capitalize on one of the most tragic moments in our nation's history is worth only one — disgraceful."
The use of the 9/11 photo of Bush to raise political funds and attempt to make points for Bush is an oportunistic use of a catastrophy and tacky to say the least.
Helen
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sulyn1950
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posted on May 15, 2002 05:56:24 PM new
"The use of the 9/11 photo of Bush to raise political funds and attempt to make points for Bush is an oportunistic use of a catastrophy and tacky to say the least. "
OK, what am I missing here?
This is a photo of the President, on a phone, looking out the window of AF1. It's actually a very good photo. It's 1 of a set of 4 (I believe). It could have been taken anytime. Why is it distasteful? Simply because it was taken on 9/11? Do you feel that ALL pictures taken anywhere in the USA on 9/11 are off limits for anything/everything?
Would you find it distasteful if the photo had been taken while he was on his way to a meeting concerning something else?
I really am interested in knowing what I may be overlooking in this.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 15, 2002 06:08:32 PM new
He is using the catastrophy of 9/11 to make money and score political points. This is not simply a photo that the newspaper might use.
It's like selling souvenirs from the 9/ll sites on Ebay, for example.
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KatyD
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posted on May 15, 2002 06:36:38 PM new
Actually Helen, the photo is in the public domain and HAS been previously published in newspapapers.
As a Democrat, I'd like to see Democrat leaders leave off this silly nitpicking for soundbites and take on the more important issues. Al Gore and Terry McAuliffe really have no business pointing fingers. Even I (who voted for Gore) found that hysterically funny.
KatyD
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Helenjw
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posted on May 15, 2002 07:13:32 PM new
I agree, Katy that this inappropriate behavior pales in comparison to everything else that he gets away with. Where are the Democrats when we really need them.
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KatyD
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posted on May 15, 2002 07:37:16 PM new
Why are you so outraged about a silly picture, Helen? Is it because it was used for fundraising? What about Al Gore's "fundraising" at the monk temple in Arizona? What about the White House "sleepovers"? Terry McAuliffe's influence peddling to for financial profit. Did any of these things "outrage" you? This stuff goes on in both parties. It's nothing new.
The whole thing is silly. If this is the best the Democratic party is able to come up to show leadership, it doesn't bode well for those of us who care more about true issues.
KatyD
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Helenjw
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posted on May 15, 2002 07:56:33 PM new
"Outraged" is not a word that I would use to describe my feelings on this topic. It's simply inappropriate and I responded to the thread to state my opinion.
I have agreed with you that in the total scheme of things that it's relatively silly.
It's normal Bush behavior.
Helen
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KatyD
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posted on May 15, 2002 08:05:31 PM new
What "Bush behavior"? That the picture was used in fund raising? Then in that case, you'll have to agree that it's normal POLITICIAN behavior.
But it's a sad thing when the Democrats think a picture given in return for a donation is something to get in a huff about. It makes them look desperate.
KatyD
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Borillar
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posted on May 15, 2002 09:58:41 PM new
What made me more ill in this article is the image that the GOP is trying to project: Bush In Charge, Bush In Command, Bush At The Ready, etc. The truth is that he was caught with his pants down. He was busily reading a book to children (that's how he likes to spend his time as President) when the events took place, and after only a brief comment, he was ABSENT from the entire disaster! It wasn't until many hours later that he even bothered to address a worried nation; you know, long enough to have him rehearse a few words. SICK!
Then, to U-S-E the 9-11 attacks to profiteer is to SHAME the dead and to HUMILLIATE the survivors! That someone should take out baseball bats and beat the SH*T out of them for so horrid a desecration of such a terrible tragedy that America has not gotten over with yet is perhaps not Justice, but certainly represents the feelings of many Americans.
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mlecher
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posted on May 16, 2002 12:35:01 PM new
Democrats should do something to raise campaign funds. I know! Sell CD's of President Bush greatest gaffs and stupid statements along with a book of photographs of Bush at his most embarrassing. I'd be wiling to spring for the 100 CD set and twelve volume coffeetable book set....
By the way....what was Bush asking Cheney on the phone on AF1.
Maybe....
"Do you think we will still be able to get the pipeline deal through Afghanistan?"
There are only 10 types of people in the world
Those who understand binary and those who don't
[ edited by mlecher on May 16, 2002 12:37 PM ]
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rawbunzel
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posted on May 16, 2002 12:45:54 PM new
What I resent about the use of this photo is simply this [as Borillar has already stated but it's my opinion too]: it was not a great moment in GW history. He was flying around the country,able to talk on the phone and never ~not once ~spoke to the American people when they needed to hear from the Commander in Chief. Left us in the capable hands of the mayor of NYC. How many hours did it take for him to say a little something to a nation in shock? He most certainly should have made some sort of statement to the public that morning..even if it was a simple "we'll have a briefing later on"..anything would have been better than hiding out all day.I do hold that against him.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 16, 2002 12:50:34 PM new
Good idea mlecher!
Maybe he was asking, "Is it safe to go home yet?"
Remember how long he flew around trying to hide?
Helen
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Helenjw
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posted on May 16, 2002 12:53:46 PM new
Right Rawbunzil!
Finally he sent the press secretary out to make a statement with instructions not to answer any questions.
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blairwitch
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posted on May 16, 2002 01:27:48 PM new
The thing I have against the picture is if Bill Clinton would have done this same very thing the right would be all over him like they were for 8 years. Yes all politicans are crooks, but Bush is milking 9/11 for all its worth, and its quite sad.
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breinhold
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posted on May 16, 2002 01:45:14 PM new
9-11 that's all its about?
milking it?
we are at war in case you forgot.
I guess buying victory bonds or saying things like "remember pearl harbor" during WW2 was milking a situation too.
you guys really need to have something else to think about besides hating this guy before you all self ignite.
you see I threw the party thing to the side on 9-11. its not about parties anymore (except here of course).
but you did give the guy a break for almost one day but ended up blaming him for being responsible for every bee that dies.
you guys are more interested in being
non-republican than being American. 
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KatyD
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posted on May 16, 2002 01:51:15 PM new
Lol! Aint it the truth, breinhold!
KatyD
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breinhold
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posted on May 16, 2002 02:00:10 PM new
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blairwitch
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posted on May 16, 2002 02:39:59 PM new
we are at war in case you forgot
Thats funny I cant recall anyone including congress passing a Declaration of War. Will I give Bush a break? Sure the same break the right gave Clinton.
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Borillar
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posted on May 16, 2002 04:24:08 PM new
That's just what I was going to say, BW!
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yellowstone
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posted on May 16, 2002 04:29:29 PM new
Will I give Bush a break? Sure the same break the right gave Clinton
And yet ole slick Willy constantly gives us more reasons to question his actions. Like his meddeling in foreign affairs.
During a recent visit to the US by the Saudi Crown Prince. Clinton bought a room in the same hotel as the Crown Prince and after the Prince's meetings with GW, Clinton had a secret meeting with the Prince in the Prince's room. GW was not invited to this secret meeting. What did they discuss untill 2:00 AM?
My source of information is CNN. Today after Condoleeza Rice's news conference this (the previous paragraph) was said by one of CNN's reporters.
Hey, Clinton had his shot for 8 years, now he should butt out and go get a job.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 16, 2002 04:52:26 PM new
George Bush? He's nice but dim, says crown prince
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4413737,00.html
In the most regal possible manner, Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia skewered President George Bush yesterday as a man so ignorant about the Middle East, and specifically about the suffering of the Palestinians, that he needed several hours of personal tuition to bring him up to speed.
When the prince visited the presidential ranch in Texas last month, the two men spent five hours together, far longer than expected. This was an indication - according to the White House spin machine - of how well they got on. Prince Abdullah presents a different interpretation: the time was spent coaching the president in political realities.
"He is the type of person who sleeps at 9.30pm after watching the domestic news," the prince told Okaz, a Saudi newspaper. "In the morning, he only reads a few lines about what is written on the Middle East and the world due to his huge responsibilities."
The prince proves himself to be a master of the art of damning with faint praise, saying of Mr Bush that "he listens and debates politely, but was not fully informed about the real conditions in the region, especially the conditions suffered by the Palestinian people". And so, he continues, "I felt it was my duty to spend as long a time as possible to brief him on the facts directly and without an intermediary".
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jdk156
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posted on May 16, 2002 05:16:38 PM new
I'm one of those REPUBLICANS yall want to come out and TRY to defend Bush!!! I don't argue politics with democrats! But I do come here about once every two weeks to get a REALLY GOOD LAUGH!!! It makes me feel good!!
Yall have a GREAT day!!!
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Borillar
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posted on May 16, 2002 05:32:57 PM new
"I don't argue politics with democrats!"
Why?
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KatyD
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posted on May 16, 2002 05:48:15 PM new
George Bush? He's nice but dim, says crown prince
Oh come now Helen. Are you reduced to getting your "news" from the Saudi Arabians now? Lol!
And so, he continues, "I felt it was my duty to spend as long a time as possible to brief him on the facts directly and without an intermediary".
This from a man who demanded that no female air traffic controller be on duty when his jet was directed into US airspace. Now where is your outrage over THAT?
KatyD
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Helenjw
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posted on May 16, 2002 06:07:16 PM new
KatyD
My post is in response to the "comment" by Yellowstone about the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
If you don't like my source, The Guardian Newspaper, then don't read it.
Helen
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KatyD
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posted on May 16, 2002 06:43:13 PM new
Helen
I already know whose post you were responding to. I was just asking you if you consider the Saudi Arabian prince a "credible" source of news. Evidently you do. LOL!!
KatyD
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yellowstone
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posted on May 16, 2002 06:50:35 PM new
Helenjw
So you are suggesting that the Prince and Clinton discussed GW's incompetence during their secret meeting?
I suppose that Carter did the same with Castro huh.
Now I gotta have a REALLY GOOD LAUGH!!!!
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breinhold
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posted on May 16, 2002 07:24:06 PM new
blairwitch i cant thank you enough!!!! i thought we were at war! i feel so much better now that you cleared that up. what was i thinking ???
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