posted on May 17, 2002 06:46:06 PM new
Personally or for him?
I am not sure that what he is offering would do what he and the court want it to do.
From what I understand a mature person often does not suffer that much of a loss of drive or function from the loss of the testes.
It also does not change the established mental frame that has developed over years.
What he wished to do with the young boy would not be hindered by what he is proposing. I don't see anything here but theatrics.
What he did is personally repulsive but I am not sure that our laws on all the variations of human sexual behavior really help or protect anyone very well. It seems like they mostly satisfy third parties desire for revenge rather than help or repair any harm.
posted on May 17, 2002 07:05:55 PM new
>>From what I understand a mature person often does not suffer that much of a loss of drive or function from the loss of the testes.<<
Hm. If that is so then so much for that.
But revenge? Stats indicate that sex offenders are the highest of recidivists if they don't graduate to become serial killers...
posted on May 17, 2002 09:07:42 PM new
The reason I say that is that there does not seem to be any treatment that is useful - as you said the go right back to the behavior, and the concern seems to be to punish them even if their behavior is not changed no matter how badly the trial and process hurts the victem to go through. Sometimes the ordeal seems worse than the original abuse. Sometimes the parents or spouse of a sex crime victem seem hurt worse than the actual victem and nobody seemd to adress their needs except to gratify their desire to punish the criminal no matter how ineffective that is. And sorry to say sometimes the family seems hell bent on treating the victem worse than the criminal did heaping shame and blame on them. I have seen mothers go on and on about how their child is damaged until there is no uncertainty in the childs mind that they will never be lovable again. Then the criminal is often released after a period back into society with no reason to think they will not repeat - and not able to live or work in a normal way anyway due to the public nature of the sex offender list now. It seems like it is a no win for everyone but the prosecutor.
posted on May 17, 2002 10:10:42 PM new
Cruel and unusual punishment. It would set a very dangerous precedent, even if the offender requests it. (And in this case, all things considered, I don't think castration would be an adequate punishment.)
What kind of plea-bargaining would this lead to? Cut off a finger for a first shoplifting offense, a hand for the second offense, both hands for the third offense? No, I don't see this kind of bargaining as proper at all.
posted on May 17, 2002 11:15:43 PM new
Sounds like Islamic justice. When my uncle worked in the kingdom he had an engineer he had hired sentanced to prison for 3 years. That is when they found out a quaint feature of Saudi prisons - They don't feed you!
If you don't have relatives to bring you food or money to buy from a caiering service that comes around what do they do? I asked. Let you starve?
He said - "Oh you can always get out of prison early for a hand."
posted on May 18, 2002 07:08:55 AM new
State of Washington has that kind of law; or at least it used to. Get castrated and get released early. Of course, that sort of thing is available only for MALE offenders.
posted on May 18, 2002 10:22:08 AM new
Have a historectomy and get out of jail free?
Now maybe with rapists if they agreed to have the essential member shortened down to about an inch and a half max. that would make criminal penetration pretty darn difficult.
[ edited by gravid on May 18, 2002 10:25 AM ]
posted on May 18, 2002 08:31:38 PM new
Voluntary Castration acceptable to you?
I'd say! IMHO, if a man can't control his desire for children, he should be punished to the max. If he agreed to castration, his term should be reduced. If he ever committed another sexual crime, he should serve the rest of his first term, then get another maximum sentence. Same for a serial rapest. These people should never get out of jail, but they do, then re-offend.
If it's true Gravid, that even WITH castration a person might not be 'cured', then I wonder if there's ANY hope for these men?
posted on May 19, 2002 12:21:34 PM new
I wonder what your opinion of cruel and unusual punishment would be if someone hurt a family member of yours ? I also notice that you dont seem to have a problem when the Israelis do it.
posted on May 19, 2002 04:53:33 PM new
What is cruel and unusual punishment? Who decides what is cruel and unusual punishment? I propose that the criminal decide what is cruel and unusual. Consider the murderer. Apparently, killing somebody was NOT to cruel, nor unusual. That should be his punishment. Why is it that the people who DO decide aren't the ones affected?
As for child molestors, I prefer the Dennis Miller solution. Kill yourself, lean in and take one for the home team.
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