posted on May 24, 2002 08:53:49 PM new
I have posted a link at the bottom that shows my source of information. I must say that after reading this you will get a good idea as to why the left wingers are posting so much garbage and doing so much bashing of George W. Bush, the current President Of the United States. They have ALOT to make up for.
The Clinton Legacy
The Progressive Review
RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor,
one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES
FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED
BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED
IN THE MEDIA
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real
estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a
state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence
by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures
trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against
(and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.
ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMERS
Number of Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress that they didn't remember, didn't know, or someting similiar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey ******** 161
Bill Burton ********** 191
Mark Gearan *********** 221
Mack McLarty *********** 233
Neil Egglseston ************ 250
Hillary Clinton ************ 250
John Podesta ************* 264
Jennifer O'Connor ***************** 343
Dwight Holton ***************** 348
Patsy Thomasson ********************* 420
Jeff Eller *********************************** 697
THE CLINTON LEGACY:
LONELY HONOR
Here are some of the all too rare public officials, reporters, and others who spoke truth to the dismally corrupt power of Bill and Hill Clinton's political machine -- some at risk to their careers, others at risk to their lives. A few points to note:
- Those corporatist media reporters who attempted to report the story often found themselves muzzled; some even lost their jobs. The only major dailies that consistently handled the story well were the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times.
- Nobody on this list has gotten rich and many you may not have even heard of. Taking on the Clintons typically has not been a happy or rewarding experience. At least ten reporters have been fired, transferred off their beats, resigned, or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals. Whistleblowing is even less appreciated within the government. One study of whistleblowers found that 232 out of 233 them reported suffering retaliation; another study found reprisals in about 95% of cases.
- Contrary to the popular impression, the politics of those listed ranges from the left to the right, and from the ideological to the independent.
- We have not included victims of the Clinton machine, some of whom have acted with
considerable danger and at considerable risk to themselves. They will be included on a later list.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS
MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ was a prosecutor on the staff of Kenneth Starr. His attempts to uncover the truth in the Vincent Foster death case were repeatedly foiled and he was the subject of planted stories undermining his credibility and implying that he was unstable. Rodriguez eventually resigned.
JEAN DUFFEY: Head of a joint federal-county drug task force in Arkansas. Her first
instructions from her boss: "Jean, you are not to use the drug task force to investigate any public official." Duffey's work, however, led deep into the heart of the Dixie Mafia, including members of the Clinton machine and the investigation of the so-called "train deaths." Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports that when she produced a star witness who could testify to Clinton's
involvement with cocaine, the local prosecuting attorney, Dan Harmon issued a subpoena for all the task force records, including "the incriminating files on his own activities. If Duffey had complied it would have exposed 30 witnesses and her confidential informants to violent
retributions. She refused." Harmon issued a warrant for her arrest and friendly cops told her that there was a $50,000 price on her head. She eventually fled to Texas. The once-untouchable Harmon was later convicted of racketeering, extortion and drug dealing.
BILL DUNCAN: An IRS investigator in Arkansas who drafted some 30 federal indictments of
Arkansas figures on money laundering and other charges. Clinton biographer Roger Morris quotes a source who reviewed the evidence: "Those indictments were a real slam dunk if there ever was one." The cases were suppressed, many in the name of "national security." Duncan was
never called to testify. Other IRS agents and state police disavowed Duncan and turned on him. Said one source, "Somebody outside ordered it shut down and the walls went up."
RUSSELL WELCH: A Arkansas state police detective working with Duncan. Welch developed a 35-volume, 3,000 page archive on drug and money laundering operations at Mena. His investigation was so compromised that a high state police official even let one of the targets of the probe look through the file. At one point, Welch was sprayed in the face with poison, later identified by the Center for Disease Control as anthrax. He would write in his diary, "I feel like I
live in Russia, waiting for the secret police to pounce down. A government has gotten out of control. Men find themselves in positions of power and suddenly crimes become legal." Welch is no longer with the state police.
DAN SMALTZ: Smaltz did an outstanding job investigating and prosecuting charges involving illegal payoffs to Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, yet was treated with disparaging and highly inaccurate reporting by the likes of the David Broder and the NY Times. Espy was acquitted under a law that made it necessary to not only prove that he accepted gratuities but that he did
something specific in return. On the other hand, Tyson Foods copped a plea in the same case, paying $6 million in fines and serving four years' probation. The charge: that Tyson had illegally offered Espy $12,000 in airplane rides, football tickets and other payoffs. In the Espy investigation, Smaltz obtained 15 convictions and collected over $11 million in fines and civil penalties. Offenses for which convictions were obtained included false statements, concealing
money from prohibited sources, illegal gratuities, illegal contributions, falsifying records, interstate transportation of stolen property, money laundering, and illegal receipt of USDA
subsidies. Incidentally, Janet Reno blocked Smaltz from pursuing leads aimed at allegations of major drug trafficking in Arkansas and payoffs to the then governor of the state, WJ Clinton. Espy had become Ag secretary only after being flown to Arkansas to get the approval of chicken king Don Tyson.
DAVID SCHIPPERS, was House impeachment counsel and a Chicago Democrat. He did a
highly creditable job but since he didn't fit the right-wing conspiracy theory, the Clintonista media downplayed his work. Thus most Americans don't know that he told NewsMax, "Let me tell you, if we had a chance to put on a case, I would have put live witnesses before the committee. But the House leadership, and I'm not talking about Henry Hyde, they just killed us as far as time was concerned. I begged them to let me take it into this year. Then I screamed for
witnesses before the Senate. But there was nothing anybody could do to get those Senators to show any courage. They told us essentially, you're not going to get 67 votes so why are you wasting our time." Schippers also said that while a number of representatives looked at additional evidence kept under seal in a nearby House building, not a single senator did.
JOHN CLARKE: When Patrick Knowlton stopped to relieve himself in Ft. Marcy Park 70
minutes before the discovery of Vince Foster's body, he saw things that got him into deep trouble. His interview statements were falsified and prior to testifying he claims he was overtly harassed by more than a score of men in a classic witness intimidation technique. In some cases there were witnesses. John Clarke has been his dogged lawyer in the witness intimidation case that has been largely ignored by the media, even when the three-judge panel overseeing the Starr investigation permitted Knowlton to append a 20 page addendum to the Starr Report.
OTHER
THE ARKANSAS COMMITTEE: What would later be known as the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy actually began on the left - as a group of progressive students at the University of
Arkansas formed the Arkansas Committee to look into Mena, drugs, money laundering, and
Arkansas politics. This committee was the source of some of the important early Clinton stories.
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION SCANDALS E-LIST: Moderated by Ray Heizer, this list has
been subject to all the idiosyncrasies of Internet bulletin boards, but it has nonetheless proved invaluable to researchers and journalists.
JOURNALISTS
JERRY SEPER of the Washington Times was far and away the best beat reporter of the story,
handling it week after week in the best tradition of investigative journalism. If other reporters had followed Seper's lead, the history of the Clintons machine might have been quite different.
AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD of the London Telegraph did a remarkable job of digging
into some of the seamiest tales from Arkansas and the Clinton past. Other early arrivals on the scene were Alexander Cockburn and Jeff Gerth.
CHRISTOPHER RUDDY, among other fine reports on the Clinton scandals, did the best job
laying out the facts in the Vince Foster death case.
ROGER MORRIS AND SALLY DENTON wrote a major expose of events at Mena, but at the
last moment the Washington Post's brass ordered the story killed. It was published by Penthouse and later included in Morris' "Partners in Power," the best biography of the Clintons.
OTHERS who helped get parts of the story out included reporters Philip Weiss, Carl Limbacher, Wes Phelan, David Bresnahan, William Sammon, Liza Myers, Mara Leveritt, Matt Drudge, Jim Ridgeway, Nat Hentoff, Michael Isikoff, Christopher Hitchens, and Michael Kelly. Also independent investigator Hugh Sprunt and former White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich.
The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they were the cause of corruption in others. Seldom in America have so many come to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years. These rare exceptions cited above, and others unmentioned, deserve our deep thanks.
THE CLINTON LEGACY
The Hidden Election
USA Today calls it "the hidden election," in which nearly 7,000 state legislative seats are decided with only minimal media and public attention. The paper took brief notice because this is the year the state legislatures perform their most important national function: drawing revised
congressional districts based on the most recent census.
But there's another important national story here: further evidence of the disaster that Bill Clinton has been for the Democratic Party. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of last November that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats control only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.
Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only is this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it is the first time since 1954 that the GOP has controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).
Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton, based on our latest figures:
- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3
posted on May 24, 2002 09:42:47 PM new
Yeah. It's like Rush Limbaugh. It's talking out one side of the mouth. For instance, the administration with the most felony convictions is given to Ronald Reagan's, not Clinton's.
Then there's the malarky like "Most number of witnesses to die suddenly" There was a thread last week ago that was about the book release from the Darling of the Right-Wing, who showed how the lies were orchastrated to defame Clinton. The same applies to the " Vincent Foster death case" The "ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMERS" record is still set by the participants of Ronald Reagan's Iran/Contra Hearings. It got to be such a steady phrase back then that the jokes still keep coming in about them. And so forth. The Progrssive Review needs to be updated.
As for Bush? I still keep asking: name ONE THING that Bush has done good for the American People, somthing that the voters who put oout for him got back in return. There is never a response. That speaks volumes as to why Bush gets bashed here.
posted on May 24, 2002 10:07:18 PM new
during the Clinton years, for the first time in a long time, we enjoyed a budget surplus. Now that Bush & Co. are back, our budget is once again deep in the red. We've suffered a major terrorist attack, become involved in a war, and witnessed a huge scandal that ripped off California to the tune of 30 billion dollars. Not bad for just his first year in office.
posted on May 24, 2002 10:27:09 PM new
twinsoft
Would you be willing to go so far as to say that if Al Gore were the President things would be different. Al Quaeda would not have attacked on 911, We would not be involved in a war, the Enron scandall wouldn't have happened and our budget would not be deep in the red?
Borillar
Your thread;
"Bush Begs Congress: *PLEASE COVER ME UP!*"
Let's let them take as close a look at Bush in Enron/9-11 connections as Ken Starr did into Clinton's affairs! Fair is Fair!
"Fair is fair" is the reason for all the Bush bashing in here.
I agree that an investigation needs to be done but I think that you/we will find that Clinton and his cronies had a hand in it and played a major part also.
Be careful what YOU ask for, you might not like the results.
posted on May 25, 2002 07:56:19 AM new
nycyn
Why, so you can disparage them in the same manner as has been done to GW.
The left has been laying it on really thick as of late here in the RT and I just think it's about time to set the record straight on their guy, Clinton. It seems as though all of what Clinton was/is in to has been forgotten and it is easy to forget when you read the overwhelming amount of spin in the Bush bashing threads.
The information I provided is just the tip of the iceberg of the dirty dealings Clinton had his hand in.
posted on May 25, 2002 09:22:07 AM new
You can be sure that if Gore were president now rather then bush The name of the president would be different not much else.
There might be far more dead lock in getting any government work done.
nothing that has happened in the middle east would have been any different and as far as 9/11, far as I can tell every administration since the end of the cold war were at least 80% reasonable for events that led up to that.
In fact If you look at some of these things that have happened its easy to know these things were not planed in a few months or over a year terrorist have been planning and building backing for these types of attacks we have been seeing in this country and others since the late 60's early 70's.
These Arabs and Muslim extremist Have been years planning these things right down to many moving into this country in great enough numbers for people to get use to seeing them here so that we see nothing unusual building a certain comfort level Among US citizen at all levels of income.
The end of the Cold war was a big break for the terrorist, Every one was feeling The world was safe the big evil was gone the US relaxed a lot cut spending on security, intelligent and other protections, The terrorist movement had allready had about 20 years to exspand and grow outside of its middle eastern roots.
They had plenty of time to build loads of backing and support many even living in this country making a great living at high paying jobs and owning big and small companies right in this country, with the coming of the internet and cell phones they had a good strong low cost communications network that up until a few years ago few paid any mind to even the US government all considered the computer and internet as another consumer waste land that would drive the economy for a few year like CB radio did years before but not amount to much.
All that had really changed with the end of the cold war was how we thought and felt about the world nothing more the world was at total peace not long but long enough to lull us all to sleep, By the time the mid 90's rolled around and in to the new millennium most Muslim extremist and other terrorist groups were a well built group many better educated then our own citizens at our cost very well grouped togeather with plenty of backing.
From the early 90's this country and most of the rest of the world was in the biggest economic boom ever every one was seeing stars gold and sugar plum fairies including the government, money for protection, intelligent and military was seen as waited tax dollars and the terrorist assault was ripe for pulling off.
This is not bushes private war it is a war that was caused by feeling too comfortable and fed by the greed of an economic boom, to busy Counting our riches and boosting over winning and ending the cold war and helping chop a big chunk out of communism
to see the next enemy already inside the front gates.
fact is we all allow this war to happen right in front of our eyes and now not any can agree on what should be done and most certinly many want to pass the blame off some where else.
posted on May 25, 2002 09:34:41 AM new
yellowstone, there is a large difference between the Clinton Legacy that I re-posted from Helen and the Clinton Legacy that you have posted here and it isn't about "slant" or "spin." The difference is that with the Progressive Review, it repeats many of the distortions and outrights lies made up by the right-wing soely to defame President Clinton. The lists that I re-posted were factual.
Next, as to why Bush gets so much bad coverage here is his own fault. If he would go out and do at least ONE (1) good thing for the American people instead of blatantly enriching his buddies at the cost of America and Americans, then Bush supporters would have plenty to talk about in here. As it is, Bush gets one-sided press because he deserves it for never giving anyone any reason to post otherwise.
posted on May 25, 2002 09:36:35 AM new
Bush or the government before him is not all reasonable in this matter alone, face it everyone was busy having a good time the government didn't just cut spending because they wanted to people in this country were screaming for tax cut and complaining we were wasting to many tax dollars on defense and military and intelligence.
we eagerly sucked up all the tax cuts because we were all making more and felt we need more and cutting taxes was one way to help feed the greed, Goes right along with the law suit against tobacco companies this was more about feeding greed and keeping taxes low then anything else just have to admit to the ugly truth about the time we were living in.
no conspiracies no government evil plots
[ edited by dman3 on May 25, 2002 09:43 AM ]
posted on May 25, 2002 09:53:19 AM new
dman3, the problems with the tax cut rebate check that everyone got was that it was stolen (as in 'Having no right to it') from the social security surplus. That put America into a Defecit instead of a Surplus, as it had been under Clinton. Then, Americans get to pay bid time interest payments on that debt that we borrowed from OURSELVES.
The other problem is that most of the so-called tax breaks do not occur until nine years into the program, then quit at the tenth year. By that time, the tax cut will be overturned for the bad damage that it has done to our economy.
Republican Voters during the last election were told over and over again that there was no "safe" way to give these tax cuts or tax rebates. But that didn't stop Bush and the Republican Party for PURPOSELY BALD-FACED LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE about it! They told the LIE Loudly and for Long Enough and their supporters Believed it, much as the German People did Adolf Hitler back in the 1930's. In fact, the Republican Party had the audacity to call the critics of the tax rebate/tax cut a bunch of LIARS WITH POLITICAL AGENDAS -- when in fact, it was THEY who were the LIARS with a Political Agenda!
posted on May 25, 2002 10:38:00 AM new
Its ok you can all lay blame where you want and make all the excuses you like your going to any how no matter what evidence your faced with.
as well its funny that you choose to make your claims on just the lastest tax Rebate some people got and not actual budget cuts and tax reduction over the last 15 to 30 years.
yes in that time there were some hefty tax incress on the poor and lower income brakets but there were huge breaks for all the fat cats including but hardly limited to the free trade agreement.
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[ edited by dman3 on May 25, 2002 10:43 AM ]
posted on May 25, 2002 11:51:25 AM new
The problem with trying to balance out 'bashing' of one party by 'bashing' the other is that it all looks like a pot of sour grapes....hard to tell fact from fiction.
The truth with Bush, started out with him "winning" the election, followed by stupid policy changes, Bushisms, and not much else. The world saw Bush as a bit of a bumbling fool that needed medication. The 'war' saved his butt, imo. He handled it as well as anyone could have, BUT it's now turned into a war "that will never end". I don't know how much this has all cost so far, but I can imagine it's pretty high. These are your tax and pension dollars at work.
So far, the war's accomplished what? Is Osama dead? Has the al quada been demolished? Where's he headed next? Anyone know?
IMO, if it weren't for this dumb war, Bush would've been kicked out of office by now. If you put aside the war, what is Bush doing? For all we know, he could be going around from country to country trying to pass himself off as the new Messiah.
posted on May 25, 2002 01:41:39 PM new
I think history will happen again and Bush will not be elected in 2004 to a second term. I remember during the gulf war Bush Sr.'s approval ratings were sky high, and then something happened. People finally started taking notice to other issues and over time his approval rating dropped like a rock. The war so far was a waste of money. We arent no further ahead than we were before.
posted on May 25, 2002 01:59:20 PM new
blairwitch
We liberated a country from an opressive regime and sent Al Queida packing didn't we? Or do you mean something else?
posted on May 25, 2002 03:12:54 PM new
yellowstone, if the goal was to get rid of the Taliban, then that much was accomplished. But billions of dollars later, that seems to be the only accomplishment. The goal of bombing Afghanistan to rid the al qaeda (sp?) network is like saying lets bomb New Jersey to get rid of the mafia. Surely you can see that's a goal that can't be reached.
posted on May 25, 2002 03:34:03 PM new"That's not a very good analogy. Try again!"
Yes, KraftDinner, you should know better! Terrorists in the Al-Queda network look different than the native Afghanistani people, speak a diferent language, have a diffeent religion, have different customs and cultures, not to mention the placards that they are all forced to wear saying,"I'm invisible."
Compare that to the Mafia, who looks like every other caucazoid european, has no accent, has the same religion, culture, and food.
There's aboslutely no way to measure the two together.
posted on May 25, 2002 03:54:49 PM newtwinsoft Would you be willing to go so far as to say that if Al Gore were the President things would be different
Yellowstone, you started out with a detailed attack on Clinton. I pointed out that during Clinton's presidency, we enjoyed four years of budget surplus - something no republican president has accomplished lately. Now that Bush in in charge, we're back deep in the red. So, how bad was Clinton?
What does "if Gore were president" have to do with anything? There's no connection between Gore, your original post or my reply. All you did was sidestep my obervation.
Say what you will, Clinton was one of the most beloved and finest presidents we've had.
posted on May 25, 2002 04:20:31 PM new
twinsoft
.....and then you went on to say; Now that Bush & Co. are back, our budget is once again deep in the red. We've suffered a major terrorist attack, become involved in a war, and witnessed a huge scandal that ripped off California to the tune of 30 billion dollars. Not bad for just his first year in office
What does this have to do with my post about Clinton.
It seems you did a little side stepping yourself ayyy. But I guess that's ok huh because thats how you Democrats are. What's good for you isn't good for anyone else. Which brings me to another point about ole Slick Willie. If a Republican President had commited half of the crimes Clinton did he would have been sent packing quick.
Say what you will, Clinton was one of the most beloved and finest presidents we've had.
Gag, cough, puke, spit. (sounds like Monica Lewinski huh) What a laugh this is but then I guess again it's ok with you and all the other Clintonoids that he brought the terminology of "oral sex" into the mainstream media.
Here's a little scenario for ya, actually it's a true story. When all this was going on a friend of mine told me that his 6 year old daughter asked him what oral sex was. What the heck was he supposed to tell her. I'll just bet that this scenario was played out all over America if not the whole world.
Beloved and finest President It's obvious that you don't know the true meanings of these words.
Edited UBB.
[ edited by yellowstone on May 25, 2002 04:26 PM ]
posted on May 25, 2002 04:27:21 PM new
Oh hell, I should have known that this thread was too silly to participate in. Go ahead, Yellowstone...if all you can talk about is the condition of the blue dress then you are out of your league here...or was it a red dress? Who gives a dam anyway.
posted on May 25, 2002 04:41:53 PM new
Oral sex is not a bad 'word' yellowstone, but it does give a clue to just how far right you are. Perhaps you weren't around when Kennedy was President if morals are an issue.
