krs
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posted on June 29, 2002 03:19:07 AM new
‘A police dog scratched at your luggage, so we’re confiscating your life savings and
you’ll never get it back.’ Police stopped 49-year-old Ethel Hylton at Houston’s Hobby
Airport and told her she was under arrest because a drug dog had scratched at her
luggage. Agents searched her bags and strip-searched her, but they found no drugs.
They did find $39,110 in cash, money she had received from an insurance settlement
and her life savings; accumulated through over 20 years of work as a hotel
housekeeper and hospital janitor. Ethel Hylton completely document-ed where she
got the money and was never charged with a crime. But the police kept her money
anyway. Nearly four years later, she is still trying to get her money back.
Ethel Hylton is just one of a large and growing list of Americans – now numbering in
the hundreds of thousands – who have been victimized by civil asset forfeiture. Under civil asset forfeiture, every-thing you own can be legally taken away even if you are never convicted of a crime.
http://www.escapeartist.com/efam19/Looting_America.html
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 05:36:38 AM new
Houston is one of the worst for that. They patrol the airport and just look for prosperous looking people. I would not fly into Houston with auction money without documenting every bill serial number withdrawn from my bank and washing them in solvent.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 29, 2002 06:15:06 AM new
If you read the complete article, you will find outrageous allegations without any credible basis. Jarret Wollstein has written an article that I have no reason to believe.
Helen
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:05:41 AM new
He just goives one example. I have heard others. I associate with a small group of auctioneers and the buzz a few months ago was that a man all of them knew from Chicago went to Texas for a classic car auction and had the same experience. He found it easier to just take cash than mess with letters of credit that are not always accepted or bank checks because he might spend $12,000 or he might spend $50,000 and could just count out the exact amount and close the transaction.
Well his cash is gone now. This is a man that has no ties to crime - but anyone with much cash is viewed by police as suspect - or at least handy.
These are people I do business with and trust by experience. I can not immaigine them inventing such a tale for something to tell over a beer when they have no need like a writer. Indeed they are of varied political views - such of them that even have an interest.
[ edited by gravid on Jun 29, 2002 07:09 AM ]
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krs
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:15:00 AM new
Perhaps helen would find the manual of the department of justice's title 9 law more edible?
http://www.fear.org/menuidx2.html
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Helenjw
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:23:28 AM new
I checked out that link and all of the others before I read the article.
Keep fear alive! LOL And for a hundred bucks you can buy a manual on how to do it.
From that link, there are links to CATO also.
It would talke me all day to research this outfit because I'm a little slow. HaHaHa!
Helen
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krs
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:31:13 AM new
Gee, and I chose it for it's easy to read qualities; have some more:
http://www.erowid.org/freedom/forfeiture/forfeiture.shtml
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/Property_Rights/Forfeiture/
http://www.governor.state.nm.us/drug_policy/civil_asset_forfeiture.htm
http://www.indiana.edu/~thebugle/walsh.htm
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Helenjw
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:47:01 AM new
My comment was about the article, The Looting of America by Jarret Wollstein. It is in my opinion unsubstantiated and poorly written.
Of course, the LINK to the Department of Justice US Attorney's Manual from the site, http://www.fear.org/menuidx2.html works and is readable. Is it possible that it is being used to give this "fear" site an appearance of credibility?
Helen
ed to add "fear" to clarify.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jun 29, 2002 07:48 AM ]
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krs
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:04:18 AM new
Aha. So rather than address the fact, you chose to attack that particular source. Doing so renders your comment irrelevant to the topic but what does that matter, eh? Please tell us more about poor jarret, or whatever his name is, if it sooths you somehow to do that, but as you do that I hope that you'll now remember to able to account for any large sum of cash you might carry if travelling.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:16:13 AM new
Krs
I am sorry that you consider my comment irrelevant. Please ignore my silly comment and continue with your topic.
I should have focused on the topic and ignored the writer and the source etc.
I have to go out now and I'm taking five bucks with me. 
Helen
It Dropped so low...lol!
[ edited by Helenjw on Jul 10, 2002 05:18 PM ]
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krs
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:19:04 AM new
Well, don't spend it in a blind rage, and remember a penny saved is a penny earned.
keep smiling.
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 09:08:54 AM new
People have to lie to themselves - stay in denial when reality is ugly and they might have to face the fact that their so loved authority figure in their lives is less a shelter than a danger.
Want to be safe? Don't own anything worth taking.
I can't understand why when someones home is siezed they don't just torch it to the ground to deny the theft.
If this sort of thing happens enough there will be physical resistance.
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nycyn
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posted on June 29, 2002 09:46:54 AM new
>>Want to be safe? Don't own anything worth taking.<<
I have been working with this assumption in mind for months now. Less is definitely more. That and the second amendment. Sometimes I get things in a flash and then run into others talking about it months later. Which is a good thing, because otherwise I'd be delusional.
(True story: I have a friend in WA who is either Super Flash or precognitive, there is a difference. The night before 9-11 he told his mother "Something big is going to happen tomorrow--something like pearl harbor."
Carry on.
Edited to ask: What's with these damn winkies?
[ edited by nycyn on Jun 29, 2002 12:22 PM ]
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nycyn
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:05:56 PM new
And another thing...
krs: This is a difficult thing for me to do.
Helenjw is not heavy. She's my sistah.
You want I should make a parking lot for you and ME? I would think not, "joker".
Hm. But then, nah, a parking lot just wouldn't do. In this case I'd be a Lie'-dee, and require much more.
Still, don't mess with Hellen.
Note to Borrila: Now THIS is a flirtation.
Note to krs: And this is defending Helen.
[ edited by nycyn on Jun 29, 2002 07:12 PM ]
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auroranorth
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posted on June 29, 2002 10:25:07 PM new
sickening
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krs
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posted on June 29, 2002 11:17:36 PM new
nycyn
"krs: This is a difficult thing for me to do.
Helenjw is not heavy. She's my sistah.
You want I should make a parking lot for you and ME? I would think not, "joker".
You can use that lot to park your immense impertinence, snippet. I've got a lot of chips in the bank with Helen to spend before there'll be any reason for anyone to come to her defense. Go on, ask her.
And even if that were not the case, the only apologies due around here are from those who bring us the monthly whoop-de-dos of hormonal imbalance to those who wait patiently each time for it to end and normality to return.
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nycyn
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posted on June 30, 2002 08:17:51 AM new
>>You can use that lot to park your immense impertinence, snippet. I've got a lot of chips in the bank with Helen to spend before there'll be any reason for anyone to come to her defense. Go on, ask her.<<
Well this I don't know about and hadn't noticed. I was genuinely surprised at your response to her.
>>And even if that were not the case, the only apologies due around here are from those who bring us the monthly whoop-de-dos of hormonal imbalance to those who wait patiently each time for it to end and normality to return.<<
Actually I was wondering by you recent posts if you were pre-menstrual, because I'd never seen you act so cruelly before.
I hope normalcy does return. It seems to be getter better. I have had women, though, who have seen things people shouldn't see tell me straight-out it gets worse. And I'm not talking PMS--I just call it that to keep it simple.
I actually thought you were one of the people who could truly understand that. Then, maybe you have the macho-macho man defense system going for you. Maybe you're just fine.
You hurt me with that post. I hope you enjoy that fact. Does it also make you hard?
Cyn
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gravid
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posted on June 30, 2002 10:07:15 AM new
Off to another thread where it is not people being hatefull back and forth off topic. I won't be back to this one.
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nycyn
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posted on June 30, 2002 07:14:02 PM new
Oh never mind.
[ edited by nycyn on Jun 30, 2002 07:45 PM ]
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auroranorth
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posted on June 30, 2002 07:34:10 PM new
I AM BUSH
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
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snowyegret
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posted on June 30, 2002 07:58:10 PM new
auroranorth, wouldn't it be:
WE ARE BUSH?
Collective vs the individual. They might have a hard time at the RT. Herding cats comes to mind.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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auroranorth
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posted on July 1, 2002 02:55:26 AM new
WE ARE THE BUSHS
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED
RESISTANCE TO THE REPUBLICAN AGENDA IS FUTILE
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