kraftdinner
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posted on June 29, 2002 05:06:57 PM new
SOUTHFIELD, Michigan (CNN) -- A Detroit woman whose two small children died in her car while she was getting her hair styled has been taken into custody, police said.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/06/29/dead.kids.car/index.html
This is just outrageous! I think if people treat their own children this way, how do they treat their dogs? YUCK!!!!!
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hepburn101
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posted on June 29, 2002 05:24:10 PM new
I hope they lock her up with Big Bertha for 3 hours, in a very cramped and HOT cell. Let Big Bertha muss her hair in throes of...while attempting to...well, never mind.
THEN they can remove her, apologize for being SO uncaring and FORGETTING Big Bertha was randy that day. Then they can keep her locked up forever as far as Im concerned.
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 05:31:06 PM new
She drove around for 3 hours making up a story about being abducted and raped to cover her butt. She should get a government job.
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm9887_20020629.htm
Just want to add - the day before here in Detroit we had this guy shoot his two young kids over an arguement with the Mom.
People with no conscience.
But then 60% of the people who live in Detroit depend on some form of public assistance for their living.
No basis to learn responsibility - just entitlement.
[ edited by gravid on Jun 29, 2002 05:40 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on June 29, 2002 05:42:45 PM new
How horrible!!! It only takes 20 minutes for the interior of a car to go from 93 degrees to 125 degrees even with the window opened.
Another thing to be careful about is leaving your car unlocked where young children can get locked inside a car accidentally.
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nycyn
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posted on June 29, 2002 06:21:41 PM new
This is no Andrea Yates. I wouldn't protest if they sentenced her to death by putting her hog-tied in her car in a hot parking lot with the inside handles removed.
But then, was she 16 and/or mentally retarded?
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 29, 2002 07:55:23 PM new
She's retarded as far as responsibility goes. The thought of her trying to fabricate a story while her 2 dead children are in the car is unbelievable. How could anyone with a brain not know this is an extremely stupid idea, especially since other similar cases have yielded such big headlines? Those poor kids. 
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:03:12 PM new
What I picture is an air-head that has never seen the headlines about other kids because she does not bother her little head with newsie stuff.
Self centered and living in the moment.
The kids were inconvenient and she couldn't miss her appointment. There has probably been a grandmother around most of the time to keep her from doing something this stupid but something happened today so she was not covered. So when she had to be adult for a day she failed.
Why did someone not see the kids and call the cops in 3 hours? Hard to believe nobody saw.
[ edited by gravid on Jun 29, 2002 08:04 PM ]
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nycyn
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:17:25 PM new
Gravid: I haven't done a lot of hot parking lots in my life but I've never strolled through, that's for sure. Where's the entrance, let's get inside, was more of my motto. That they were missed is understandable IMO.
A sad terrible story. I adopt and take in "Little Sisters" or even "Brothers" for these reasons.
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nycyn
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:20:59 PM new
>>Another thing to be careful about is leaving your car unlocked where young children can get locked inside a car accidentally.<<
Hm. Never thought of that. Kinda like refrigerators. Has it ever happened?
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:24:53 PM new
Last year I think it was in Texas.
Guy came in from shopping and got stuff out of his trunk. His hands were full so it was too hard to close the trunk. Forgot about it being open.
Neighbor kids came over and decided it would be funny to "hide" in the trunk.
When somebody missed them it was too late - they were medium/well.
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nycyn
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posted on June 29, 2002 08:45:39 PM new
>>Neighbor kids came over and decided it would be funny to "hide" in the trunk.
When somebody missed them it was too late - they were medium/well.<<
Aw, that's a shame, but understandable.
I was not a particulary supervised kid. But then, we COULD go outside by ourselves without worrying about being kidnapped. However kids are kids. When I was little, in the olden days in Brooklyn, BIG piles of curbside snow was common. We'd build igloos and tunnels.
One time I was heading alone to my friend-down-the-block's house via snow top. There was absolutely no one around. 3/4ths of the way there I sunk to my eyeballs. I was stuck. Eventually a man came down the stoop of the building in front of me and I called "Help! Help!" His response was along the lines of "Oh fer chrissake", and he turned around, went back upstairs, returned, then shoveled me out. 
Never mind the railroad tracks where some of us were routinely electrocuted.
Kids need to be watched.
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auroranorth
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posted on June 29, 2002 10:19:06 PM new
reproductive rights should be lost in the case of infantcide
they should Shoot this #*!@ but at least they could steralize her physically nuetering would be better even if it would get her a shot on springer
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gravid
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posted on June 29, 2002 11:38:40 PM new
When I remember the things we did I wonder that any kid attains their majority.
We used to go accross a LONG railroad bridge. We would put our ear on the rail and only go if he could hear no rumble. But you still needed to run.
We made rockets pouring the molten fuel in 2" pipe from the hardware. Once we had a dud - the igniter went but not the fuel. While we were argueing about what to do behind the stone wall it DETONATED - not burn. It went CRACK like a stick of dynamite and the shrapnel rattled all up and down the stone wall. The sod was pushed back in a big hump near a foot high all around the launch rail in a circle.
Too close. Just two examples.
[ edited by gravid on Jun 29, 2002 11:49 PM ]
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krs
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posted on June 30, 2002 12:03:35 AM new
Yeah, a friend of mine shot himself in the knee when we were maybe eight by putting a .22 round in a vice and hitting it with a hammer, and there was a ferry boat dock in town where the railroad ferry brought trains from San Francisco that we climbed all over all the time. One day one of the kids I was with got caught between the dock and the ferry and it exploded his head.
But this very thing happened to a kid who was in the charge of a girl who was at the time technically my daughter-in-law. Her parents ran a foster home for a living and she'd gone to SFO to pick up their latest charge - a little girl who'd been born in the woman's prison at Fresno. When she got back to their house she heard the phone ringing and ran in to answer it. She stayed in there for about a half hour before remembering the kid who was dead when she went back out. They arrested her and charged her with involuntary manslaughter but about a year later they dropped the charge because the DA decided that she had had no malicious intent. It was an accident, they said. The parents of the little girl sued everyone in sight but by then I wasn't associated anymore so I don't know the outcome.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 30, 2002 09:14:05 AM new
You know krs, I'm surprised you're still sane sometimes. With some of the comments you've made over the years about your life, I sometimes wonder where you get your strength from....truly.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 30, 2002 10:41:12 AM new
Isn't this amazing?
from a DC newspaper....
“These tragedies sharply illustrate that adults don’t understand how severely and quickly heat affects children,” said Heather Paul, Ph.D., executive director of the National SAFE KIDS Campaign. “All adults must understand that any unlocked car can become a deadly playground for small children.”
Isn't it unbelievable that people are still ignorant of the fact that heat in an automobile can kill animals and children?
Helen
ed.to add animals, thanks Gravid.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jun 30, 2002 02:36 PM ]
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auroranorth
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posted on June 30, 2002 11:30:18 AM new
NO it is not,
Stupid people should not breed.
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gravid
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posted on June 30, 2002 12:05:12 PM new
It's a pretty sure way to kill pets too.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 30, 2002 12:13:40 PM new
I totally agree Helen & aurora. It's like when you read instructions on hazardous products....."Don't put in eyes", "Don't drink", etc., & wonder who could be so stupid.
How could someone NOT KNOW something so basic?
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gravid
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posted on June 30, 2002 12:37:42 PM new
We had a neighbor lady that my wife stopped in to see. She was newly married and was going to clean up her husbands dirty greasy tools as a surprise for him. If my wife had not stopped her she was going to do it in a roaster pan full of gasoline about 3 foot from the stove with burning pilot lights. She was just getting ready to pour the gas in from the fuel can for the lawn mower when she was stopped. Basic enough?
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bunnicula
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posted on June 30, 2002 06:57:18 PM new
“These tragedies sharply illustrate that adults don’t understand how severely and quickly heat affects children,”
I agree, the adults in question must be total idiots. Every single year for as long as I can remember newspaper & TV reports go on & on about how dangerous it is to leave kids or dogs in a car on a hot day. Those reports always escalate, too, because every single damn year there are DEATHS of kids & dogs left in cars. Wide media coverage here, so these folks must be brain dead not to be aware of it.
I swear, people should have to take a courses, followed by a test before they're allowed to have kids. And one thing that each & every new parent should have to do is sit in a car on a hot day (or in a special test chamber that can be heated in the winter)with the windows cracked just a bit "to give them air" for 30 minutes. Perhaps then cases like this would be a thing of the past.
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saabsister
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posted on June 30, 2002 07:21:56 PM new
I agree - some adults are idiots. One local man recently forgot to take one of his dozen children out of the car. The baby stayed strapped in her seat in the back of his car for hours as he ran errands and returned home. A neighbor on a walk discovered the baby dead in the car.
Last summer I went shopping and when I came back to my car there was an agitated woman nearby. She complained that a dog had been left in a black Explorer in the ninety-plus degree heat with the windows barely cracked. She had given him ice and watched for ten minutes but no owner returned. I went in the hardware store and asked if the clerk would page the owner of a black Explorer with a black lab inside. The clerk wouldn't do it without the license plate number. So I ran outside and got that. Then the clerk refused to do it - said it wasn't company policy. I used my cell phone in front of her and called the police and asked that they send an Animal Control officer. I gave the car's location and tag number and then returned to the car. Before the police got there the two owners dawdled out of the store with their purchases so I told them that they could explain to the police why the dog was left in the car because an officer was on the way there. They were shocked and tried to plead being in the store for only five minutes but the other woman who had given the dog water was still there also. It still p!sses me off thinking about it. ( I also called the manager of the hardware store - a national chain - and complained about the clerk. He said that the store policy was to page the car owner in situations like that and that he would talk to the clerk.)
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auroranorth
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posted on June 30, 2002 07:30:59 PM new
the fact of the matter is is that civilization has progressed faster than the mental capabilities of many of the citizens the faster civilization progresses the more people who will be left behind.
the problem is that our technolgy now is in the hands in some cases of people who are no more intellectually capable than someone was who they made fun of the first guy who was carving a wheel.
the Antartic base of the Russian republic is filled with a huge cemetary.
A gulag ?
Purges ?
No idiots fueling jets while smoking.
People raving about god and why he wants them to kill, I personally cant believe we let these maniacs loose. People running around dressed in druidic ritual grab molesting children. cloistered members of the bene gesserit sisterhood.
Women painting their lips to accentuate their willingness to breed.
violent Imbeciles raving and calling music.
Nature will prevail.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 30, 2002 07:58:27 PM new
"Women painting their lips to accentuate their willingness to breed.'
Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah!!!!!! 
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snowyegret
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posted on June 30, 2002 08:07:14 PM new
people should have to take a courses, followed by a test before they're allowed to have kids
I agree 1000%.
Hi Bunnicula. Good to see you.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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bunnicula
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posted on June 30, 2002 08:20:31 PM new
Hi, Snowyegret. Nice to see you too!
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gravid
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posted on July 1, 2002 01:11:48 AM new
The local paper said they investigated expecting to find a long list of trouble with the woman in the past but all they could find was an outstanding warrent for embezzlement.
They were dismissive of that like sure - everybody has a few warrebnts out don't they?
I think they have lived in the city too long......
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Borillar
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posted on July 1, 2002 05:06:09 PM new
What I find appalling are the number of these cases in the past where the parent has admitted to just leaving their baby or kid inside the car for hours and killed them unthinkingly and all they get is four years in prison, if that much! As far as those that I've ever talked to about this widespread problem of parents getting their kids killed this way, is that the parent ought to be placed into a locked, hot car all day without water or comfort and if they survive, then forced sterilization. So it is a wonder to me that the police and judicial system are so compassionate towards these people. Personally, I think that it is merely a scheme cooked up by the parent to get rid of their burden without further obligation or, of all things, to be look upon as a "bad" parent. If a parent really is this stupid, the gene pool would be much better off with theirs.
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gravid
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posted on July 1, 2002 05:45:28 PM new
In a lot of the world the father has the power of life and death over the family and if he is not pleased with a child they abandon it and usually that means death by exposure. - Very similar to what these people are doing. Of course here there are lots of people who would accept the child if given the opportunity.
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 1, 2002 05:55:45 PM new
Borillar! Your post almost sounded like you'd approve of the death penalty for her. 
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