auroranorth
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posted on July 7, 2002 01:00:23 AM new
ok one of the bizzare stories in the milwaukee journal today was a woman in south east wisconsin found out that her kid shot a songbird with his pellet gun. she apparently got it and the sucker knew he was in for it and ran and she fired but missed then she got mad and made him hold still while she shot him with the pellet gun, somehow the cops found out went out and interrogated her.
and cited her for abuse arresting her and taking the kids. What do you think?
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auroranorth
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posted on July 7, 2002 01:19:25 AM new
http://search.jsonline.com/results.asp?ct=JSMonth&sd=FileWrite&qu=child+abuse&c3=@docaddress&q3=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsonline.com%2F&c2=@filewrite&o2=%3E&q2=-1m
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Linda_K
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posted on July 7, 2002 03:10:12 AM new
http://www.jsonline.com/news/OzWash/jul02/56874.asp
I'd say the mother's a little radical. Might have tried explaining why that wasn't nice.
But in my younger years that would have been called teaching your child what it felt like.
oh and if you want to know...all you have to do is put [url*]yourlinkherenospaces[/url*] but don't put the astrics in.
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 7, 2002 03:21 AM ]
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nycyn
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posted on July 7, 2002 07:04:21 AM new
Gee. I wonder what would have happened if it was a shot gun?
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 07:18:53 AM new
The police noticed a friend of my daughter playing with a pellet gun. The officers descended upon the group as if they were terrorists. Before they confiscated the gun, one officer, assuming that the gun was empty, decided to check to see "how the air would feel " and shot himself in the hand.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jul 7, 2002 07:22 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 07:38:40 AM new
I should add that I don't agree with the jail sentence proposed for the mother. I see her as a victim also. An educated, emotionally stable mother would never shoot a child with a pellet gun to teach them a lesson.
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stusi
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posted on July 7, 2002 09:55:45 AM new
janejw- it seems that everyone is a damn victim to you- Afghanis, Palestinian homicide bombers, mothers who shoot/drown their kids, .....anyone who acts irrationally is emotionally disturbed and therefore should not be punished according to you. What kind of thick-lensed rose-colored glasses are you wearing? You are one delusional, dangerous person. The problem is that when you believe all are victims then you start believing that you are one and therefore may be justified in striking out without punishment as well. 9/11 was apparently not a wakeup call to you! So WAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUP!!!!!!!!! You have no concept of precedent. This woman, if not punished, could easily go on to think that what she did was acceptable and subsequently shoot someone else and maybe with a real gun. Get it??????
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 10:48:05 AM new
stusi,
You always seem so hostile. But don't worry, all of us have a few problems with hostility. I am attempting to understand and appreciate you as a person - behind your mask of hostility. You do appear to have deep cocern with social issues.
I'll figure you out one of these days.
Helen
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stusi
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posted on July 7, 2002 10:54:22 AM new
janejw- there is a difference between hostility and exasperation. Despite your semi-kind words you have once again danced around a direct question regarding your posts/beliefs. That is exasperating!
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 11:14:39 AM new
You also appear to have sharply defined convictions regarding human nature. I am inclined to give most people the benefit of the doubt. I just don't have enough information about this woman to make a decision.
I know that opinion is going to make you reach for the ignore button. LOL!
Chill! stusi 
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stusi
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posted on July 7, 2002 11:30:10 AM new
You called her a victim without having any additional information. Just as you call most aggressors/terrorists victims. People who injure or kill others are not always doing so in self defense nor are they always insane. It is one thing not to believe in capitol punishment, but quite another to rush to judgment regarding who the victim is, as is your neverending tendency. Your blindly libertarian positions do not sit well at this point in time with many who are middle-of-the-roaders, let alone conservatives. This woman should serve jail time and her child should be put in protective custody.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 11:52:40 AM new
That's your opinion, stusi. I'll bet you wouldn't change it even if you were surrounded by people who disagreed with it.
That's how I feel also.
I know that my opinion is unpopular but I am not here to ingratiate myself to anyone.
You say that I am rushing to judgement when in fact, that is exactly what you are doing.
Stusi, I am not trying to get away from you but I have to leave to scatter my mother in law's ashes. She is finally out of her misery and rid of me.
Helen
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auroranorth
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posted on July 7, 2002 12:49:51 PM new
NYCN Gee. I wonder what would have happened if it was a shot gun?
Interesting point.
HelenJW Before they confiscated the gun, one officer, assuming that the gun was empty, decided to check to see "how the air would feel " and shot himself in the hand.
Maybe He was trying to give his head a refill.
Stusi shoot someone else
well look at the bright side sooner or later she would run out of family members.
Stusi were you abused by a parent or Guardian ? I'm not being mean it just seems that you usually want terrible penalties for anything to do with a parent.
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antiquary
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posted on July 7, 2002 02:19:17 PM new
Helen,
I know that considering your mother-in-law's quality of life her death is a good thing for all involved in many ways, but still in other ways, it's probably a difficult time also. I wish you the best under the circumstances.
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nycyn
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posted on July 7, 2002 02:48:56 PM new
>>I'll figure you out one of these days.<<
Helen: What the hell have you gotten yourself into this week, Zen?
(Shaking head)
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Borillar
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posted on July 7, 2002 03:08:06 PM new
I wouldn't say that she's a radical, as many people feel that to inflict the exact form of injury to the wrongdoer is the best learning lesson. That this amounts to an eye-for-an-eye revenge/retribution, rather than administering standard, acceptable punishments as a leaning tool, probably did not enter into her mind. My solution to his "punishment" would be for the boy to have to go work in a critical animal care unit for a week in the summer with the job of trying to care for and to make the sick and injured animals feel better (pet the cats and dogs, keep company with the birds, etc.) Helping the boy to develope compassion for all living things is much better than shooting him with the gun or to spank him (administer violence from a loved one).
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stusi
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posted on July 7, 2002 04:09:50 PM new
ohborernorth- No I was not. There have been several threads regarding parental abuse or murder and my responses are what they are. Please note my responses to the terrorist posts and you will see consistency.
Borillar- of course that is what should be done, but how often do parents do the logical thing?
janejw- sorry to hear about your mother-in-law. BTW- what judgment is it that I am rushing to, that of this woman needing incarceration? Or something regarding your consistent playing of the Mrs. Gandhi role?
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 7, 2002 04:30:55 PM new
Helen, I'm sorry to hear about your
mother-in-law. I know you tried to
help with easing her suffering, so
I hope she was feeling absolutely
no pain when the end came. Hope
you and your family are
relatively OK. 
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 04:51:26 PM new
Antiquary, Kraftdinner and auroranorth,
Thanks, I appreciate your posts.
Helen
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 05:02:05 PM new
Nycyn,
zen - whazzat?
Helen
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snowyegret
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posted on July 7, 2002 05:31:27 PM new
Helen, I hope she went easy.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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Helenjw
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posted on July 7, 2002 05:50:33 PM new
snowyegret,
She died in her sleep last week with pneumonia. Today we just scattered the ashes.
She would have been 100 in September!
Helen
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auroranorth
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posted on July 7, 2002 10:02:45 PM new
Helenjw sorry for your loss,
as a footnote I strongly suspect that in many of the cases of elderly where the cause of death is listed as pneumonia that the actual causative agent is blasto or a similar mycotic infection, I wish they would start keeping track of this one as I see large numbers of human and pet infections
and I think it's terrifying how little we know about these devils.
Stusi, I will definitly concede that you are consistant. Getting you to change would be like Signing bonilar up into the local republican party.
dont take it that i'm picking on either of you i'm not.
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Libra63
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posted on July 8, 2002 10:10:50 PM new
In a fit of anger we do things that we wouldn't normally do but to shoot the child with a pellet gun I think that is outrageous. Child should get some punishment but the Mother should lose custody of the children. I live in S.E. Wisconsin and I didn't hear that one. I also listen to WTMJ radio with Jeff Wagner but he hasn't touched on that subject yet.
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gravid
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posted on July 8, 2002 10:36:39 PM new
I often think when I hear these proposals of community service that the creepy sort that they are, sending forth will not be welcome in the environment where they are being sent.
Perhaps the animal care facility does not need a person on staff that will tie up another person watching them like a hawk to make sure they don't abuse the patients.
Makes as much sense as sending some coke snorting immoral creep that happens to be self glorified celebrity to do community service with kids. - Uh excuse me? What benefit can he be to the kids? See me kids? If you are a sports star or an entertainer you can get a cake walk sentance like this instead of real punishment?
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auroranorth
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posted on July 9, 2002 09:31:33 AM new
You know Gravid Its about time somebody said what you just said
I mean after all what would they do with a child molester haver it work at a day care,
so many of the great sounding ideas turn out to be brainless when thought about.
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