posted on July 12, 2002 10:46:25 AM new
The FBI is now investigating about 5,000 people for connections to terror. They are not looking at people who actually would commit an attack but “looking for people who have an affinity toward or sympathy for those carrying out terrorist attacks and provide any kind of support,” This is now directed at US citizens young and old - male and female of all races, who by some tenuous connection went to the same mosque or had a family association with someone that had an association with a terror organization.
Those of you aware of how many degrees of association stand between any two people in the world know that you are usually associated within 6 people of knowing anyone in the world of any fame. So you can imagine that investigating people removed two people from terror will cover half the population.
The searches of peoples homes done so far under this investigation are under seal and there is no information what they are looking for or the basis of the search.
My question, since many are citizens, is will they disappear into secret military prison when they do make arrrests of these, people or will they go into the legal system? Will this country become like Argentina was with Mothers standing before the court houses and capitals with signs asking where their children are? Or will they make a special first amendment zone for them somewhere out of the public eye - maybe WITH their children?
posted on July 12, 2002 12:25:18 PM new
I have an older neighbor who says there was stuff like this all the time during ww2, it's just part of war....don't worry you're not a terrorist....scares the crap out of me anyhow.......what's to keep them from extending this reach to anyone they want to bedevil? Will this sort of thing embolden local cops into actions they normally wouldn't take?
posted on July 12, 2002 01:28:27 PM new
Gravid, that is what I call state sponsered terror and it ran rampant in Central and South America during the 80s. In Buenos Aires, people didn't want to walk by the police stations because they could hear the screaming. They are now finding lots of the little kids that were taken away from the desparecidos and given to politically *correct* families. In Chile, you could be arrested for wearing a t shirt advertising a street theatre group. Guatemala and El Salvador descended into an orgy of death.
Some people say, don't be afraid if you have nothing to hide. I say if the protection of the law means nothing, it's best to be very afraid. Might does not make right.
posted on July 12, 2002 01:48:01 PM new
It all smacks too much to me like the Red Scare and accompaqnying House UnAmerican Activities Committee to me! And look at what happened then.
People need to wake up and realize just how dangerous all this crap Bush is pushing through is.
posted on July 12, 2002 01:57:15 PM new
Bunnicula, the usual response is *It can't happen here.* But when asked why not, the answer is usually we've got laws. Habeus Corpus has already been gotten around. It seems like magical thinking to me, this it can't happen because I can't believe it can.
You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on July 12, 2002 02:17:50 PM new
People just don't *think* about the downside of the stuff Bush has been doing.
A friend of mine actually said that she thought it would be OK to lose some freedom in order to "be safer"!! She and her husaband are staunch Bush supporters.
I told her to read a bit of history before she bowed down before Bush's schemes. I can't believe how blind some folks are.
posted on July 12, 2002 02:23:26 PM new
How does losing the protection of law make anyone safer? You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on July 12, 2002 03:03:14 PM new"People need to wake up and realize just how dangerous all this crap Bush is pushing through is."
Bunni, I've already mentioned recently in another thread that many Americans ARE awake and aware AND afraid! Many of them, surprisingly to some, are Republicans and Conservatives. Others are calling for outright rebellion, web sites all over the internet are sprouting up, discussing the problem, and urging Americans to rebel and to revolt. And the talk is heard everywhere I go: restaurants, theaters, and lines at the supermarkets. They can go on quoting Bush's poll ratings all that they like, but the truth is, is that America is getting both angry and afraid of our government. People who are Loyal to the US Constitution are setting up meetings everywhere. I don't doubt that this new search for terrorist connections isn't related to just how Americans feel right now and pushing them further over the edge isn't going to make matters any better.
FYI: While the Declaration of Independence may give Americans the right, if not the responsibility, to throw off tyrants and corrupt government from power, be advised that when they wrote the US Constitution, they provided for Powers Plenty to crush those who rebel! If you plan on joining in the revolt and rebelling, make sure you understand the consequences if you fail!
posted on July 12, 2002 03:47:25 PM new
It's Been happening here For quite some time it's just that the Checka mentality is adding to the list for the two minute hate.
Did you think they were holding a dinner party when they lied to get a warrent so they could murder a mother baby family and family pet.
I see maitsch (fed Judge) didnt have any problem killing mc veigh but pussbag horiuchi does't even get a trial after he was the sniper at Ruby ridge and waco.
When people crossed the Berlin wall we welcomed them.
when a mother brought her child here from pussbag castros hellhole
hilary and company turned it into a custody case, sent the kid back
first they came for the jews and I did not speak out cause i was not a jew
do you get it yet ? This petty fascist thug will stop at nothing to get more power and his opponents are actually willing partners in this mad scheme.
People come here and ask for asylum well that fence did not keep 25million south and central american natives out. so It must be there to keep us in the worlds largest asylum.
posted on July 12, 2002 05:19:50 PM new
Borillar could you provide a couple sites like you are talking about that are advocating physical literal
rebellion? I would like to see how they do that without being arrested in short order as I thought it was
quite clearly treason to insight to armed rebellion. Do they serve from out of the country. I realize there is
some risk in even looking at such a site.
I lost a post I must have cleared it.
Borillar I'd hate to see a rebellion. We can't go home to the family farm after the infastructure is destroyed today. People depend on power watr and transportation of food by a thin margin. Who knows that the replacement would be better? I am not sure I want to find myself living under a coilition of the Michigan Militia/radical vegans and the UAW. Perhaps if we have arevolt and are all frgmented the Canadians will sweep down all cheesed off and restore order to regain television programming since they can't make their own. -- Ah?
posted on July 12, 2002 05:23:05 PM new
auroranorth - I doubt they will prevent you from leaving if you want. There are many ex-pats living in comfort on a small number of US dollars all over the world. The dollar is on the decline right now but you can live on the local currency. I sense you are not of retirement age. Notice I am not saying anything hatefull like your SHOULD leave. I always though that was uncalled for.
