krs
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posted on July 16, 2002 07:43:19 AM new
The office of Federal Emergency Management has been directed to prepare large refugee camps in this country for use by Americans who survive possible nuclear retaliation in response to an attack on Iraq. Apparently they are to have these preparaions completed by the end of 2003.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/14/214727.shtml
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gravid
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posted on July 16, 2002 08:24:48 AM new
Just to be clear how this works - say Cleveland is targeted and you live there.
You get in your car with a few hastily thrown belongings in the back seat.
When you get out of town on the interstate you head South because you have relatives in Columbus Ohio and plan on having them put you up and see if you can find work in town.
But about 30 miles out of town you are stopped in a road block with Troops surrounding your car with automatic weapons.
Since you are from the emergency area your right of free travel is suspended. If you resist you will be shot.
Your car is searched for any firearms or anything else deemed dangerous and they are confiscated. Also any alcohol. If you brought valuables such as your jewelry I would not count on keeping them. If you have Ham radio cell phones or other communication equipment it is taken.
You are directed to a car park where you are directed into a solid parking grid. No lanes just start at one edge and park them solid because nobody is coming back to move them. You are put on a bus with one suitcase you can carry and taken to a tent city that for all purposes is a concentration camp. You have no way to access your funds in the banking system. You have limited ability to communucate with the outside - the perimeter is razor wired and the guards have orders to shoot escapees just like they were dangerous criminals. If you had weapons, drugs or anything politically incorrect you will probably be put in a special unit that has extra security.
Sound nice? All it takes is a stroke of the pen.
The lack of response here makes me think most Americans don't believe it can happen and won't untill they are looking over their hood at a couple kids with M-16 leveled at their family car.
[ edited by gravid on Jul 16, 2002 09:52 AM ]
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twinsoft
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posted on July 16, 2002 08:26:50 AM new
Bush will time the war to coincide with his re-election campaign.
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gravid
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posted on July 16, 2002 08:32:59 AM new
Of course it will be impossible to determaine if people in camps are eligable to vote.
In fact it may just be impossible to hold elections.
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profe51
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posted on July 16, 2002 08:39:10 AM new
they'll take my BEER? HOLY CRAP!!!!!
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gravid
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posted on July 16, 2002 08:49:08 AM new
Do you know how to get out of your metro area without going on a major freeway?
Take a map and study it. You will find that there are so few roads that cut under or go over a Interstate or divided hiway that a metro area can be sealed off with a surprising few manned points. Unless you have a 4 wheel drive vehicle and cut across the limited access hiway between bridges and underpasses at night there is almost no chance of getting out. You would need to study the terrain on both sides and know ahead where you would want to do such a crossing. I predict if it is done there will be a few check points overrun. There are people with antitank weapons and such that would take out a truck and a few guys with M-16s manning a stop. There are some people skilled enough to sit back at 700 or 800 yards and take a road block out if they are not dug in. Considering some of the people I have worked with over the years I can't believe all of them would submit to detention for no crime without resistance.
But don't forget they will have air cover to call in also.
A small plane with someone to fly it at 100foot or less could get out if you landed it on a country road or farm when you were out of the area. Believe they will have all the regular small airports covered.
[ edited by gravid on Jul 16, 2002 09:30 AM ]
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Borillar
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posted on July 16, 2002 10:51:09 AM new
The invasion of Afghanistan left many of our long range personaless weapons depleted inour millitary's inventory. Remember how they screamed at Clinton for using up older curise missles and the cost of having to replace them with newer tech cruise missles? Well, Bush made sure that all of those new missles were used up first, along with all of oour other hi-tech one-use weapons (excluding nukes, duh).
Bush announced duiring the invasion of Afghanistan that America wold have to take the time to rebuild and refill its arsenal of these hi-tech weaponry. Such a date was given as Late Fall or Early New Year by Bush to the media back then.
If there was ever the stupidity of a non-surprize attack on an enemy on the part of an arrogant nation, this is it.
Personally, it would make more sense to go waste the Taliban and Al-Queda in the Sudan.
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gravid
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posted on July 16, 2002 11:15:46 AM new
It would be cost effective to use the older nuclear weapons. They do age due to the radioactivity changing the reactive mass and degrading the non-nuclear components. It is very expensive to disassemble them - process the core and configure them into new weapons.
On the other hand many of the old style bombs could be remade into much more effective dial-a-yield tactical field weapons and enhanced
radiation or EMP weapons.
I am kinda wondering when someone - if they have not already - is going to design a super yield weapon that detonated in low orbit or after a dip to 200,000 foot or so will completely wipe out an area of a couple hundred square miles directly underneath.
In an area like eastern Afganistan it would beat crawling through a zillion caves. Just pound them all shut and glaze over the ground abovc so there would be nothing near the surface to come up to.
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snowyegret
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posted on July 16, 2002 12:08:21 PM new
Isn't FEMA one of the agencies that will be moved under Homeland Security? 
Good time to hang on to the Dodge RV?
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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antiquary
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posted on July 16, 2002 12:31:20 PM new
By God, we'll re-create the Cold War era, if it takes every governmental agency that we've got, and this time we'll see that it's permanent!!!!
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junquemama
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posted on July 16, 2002 12:47:37 PM new
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profe51
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posted on July 16, 2002 12:59:08 PM new
time to start laying away ammo for when the city rats a hundred miles away invade us ......
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gravid
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posted on July 16, 2002 05:05:18 PM new
Well we'll have to lay in a supply of camp clothing, weinie sticks, and marshmallows.
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nycyn
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posted on July 16, 2002 05:24:46 PM new
>>time to start laying away ammo for when the city rats a hundred miles away invade us ......<<
prof: I'm afraid you are wee bit too #*!@ late. We already sewed that up.
Anyway, to all a good night. Time to start bullshitting about it and act, which is what I'll be doing.
Good luck!
Cyn & Son
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Helenjw
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posted on July 16, 2002 05:58:08 PM new
This reminds me of the Model Emergency Health Powers Act...MEHPA
ed to correct ubb.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jul 16, 2002 07:59 PM ]
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auroranorth
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posted on July 16, 2002 07:44:00 PM new
The most dangerous weapon on earth is still the human mind
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