posted on August 24, 2002 10:33:18 AM new
U.S citizenship and "State"or American Sovereign citizenship.
U.S citizens are defined by the 14th admendment,have a social security number,use the zip code,(which invokes federal jurisdiction)are required to file tax returns,and therefore effectively "slaves".They are not protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
State citizens,on the other hand,are considered "Sovereigns"and have full protection of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.They don't have a social security number,and are not required to pay income or property taxes.They only use zip codes on P.O boxes,They are not required to have a drivers license or plates on their cars.They are Sovereigns,and are respected as such by the IRS and by the government.
Not many people know this,However it is worth reading about,And knowing where you stand in the big picture.
"Through our ignorance of the nature of money, Americans have gotten into contracts with the federal banking system and its collection agency, the IRS. Once in it, you must abide by it. It was initiated by obtaining a Social Security ("SS" = Super Slave) number, filing the first tax return, and signing the signature card at the blank which sais in fine print, "I agree to abide by all the rules of the bank." The "rules" of the bank include compliance with the federal reserve banking regulations and the IRS."
posted on August 24, 2002 05:15:07 PM newAmendment XIV (1868) Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
In the first line it states, ". . . are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
>U.S citizens . . . are not protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. State citizens,on the other hand,are considered "Sovereigns"and have full protection of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
You've confused me, Cyn - the two don't jive. Can you give me an insight into how one is one, but not the other? I looked up American Sovereign on Google, but after the first few pages, I couldn't discover an explanation of exactly what that title means.
posted on August 24, 2002 07:14:51 PM new
The only "sovreign" citizens of another governmental entity inside the US are members of recognized tribes who reside on their tribes reservations, and even their "sovreignty" is tenuous at best...the rest is so much militia hoo-haw....
posted on August 24, 2002 07:27:28 PM new
The Founding Fathers of the US authored the Declaration of Independence in 1776.
The Constitution in 1787.
And the Bill of Rights in 1791.
In a world Of monarchies,dictatorships,
and government oppression,The United States
was envisioned as a place where ,for the first time in recorded history,"We the People" would be Sovereign,and the government,if any,would be merely an administrative servant.
posted on August 24, 2002 08:50:51 PM new
The Constitution originality applied only to the relationships between the Fed and the citizens of the several states, and as between states, and as between the state and the Fed govt. The Fed Constitutional protections did not apply as between the state and its citizens.
The 14th Amend and other "Civil War" Amendments incorporated some Constitutional protections as between the states and citizens of that state. There was no way to prevent de facto slavery by the states without these incorporations.
State citizens,on the other hand,are considered "Sovereigns"and have full protection of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.They don't have a social security number,and are not required to pay income or property taxes.They only use zip codes on P.O boxes,They are not required to have a drivers license or plates on their cars.They are Sovereigns,and are respected as such by the IRS and by the government
An individual has never been considered a sovereign by any govt entity in the US. A "sovereign" is an absolutely free entity unto itself, like a country. It governs itself without lawful interference from any entity.
Social secutiy numbers, income taxes, zip codes, drivers license, car license plates, are all state or federal administrative regulations and have nothing to do with exercising citizenship or Constitutional protections.
A citizen may not have a Social Security number, nor a driver's license or license plate, nor an address or zip code, and has never paid income taxes, but is still afforded constitutional protections, both Federal and state.
A person who is considered a citizen by the Federal govt is automatically considered a citizen of the state where he/she resides. That can even be a homeless person whose address is "at large" in that state, has no SS number, nor car or drivers license and has never paid taxes. Constitutional rights apply to this person the same as they would apply to any other citizen.
The only persons who might be considered "federal citizens" are residents of Washington DC, but they are governed by Congress and generally have identical administrative rules that the states have.
I have no idea how the 14th Amend has created a "sovereign" in the state citizen. No court has ever opined this.
posted on August 25, 2002 05:39:58 AM new
You're welcome Borillar!
I did that because you were addressing your question to Nycyn even though she had not made a post to this thread and was not the originator of the thread. In fact, she was not here last night.
