posted on October 6, 2002 01:06:00 PM newPinheaded whackos should NOT head the panel on women's health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or any other bleeping panel having to do with facts instead of some pie in the sky.
Now I get to write another round of bleep bleep bleep letters to my bleep bleep representatives, who have about as much bleeping idea of how medicine works as a two toed sloth.
And they turned down two docs with both the experience and credentials to run this kind of panel. Both of those hospitals have excellent reputations for women's health services.
Bleep bleep bleep morons!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you tell I'm really pissed off by this moronic faith based crapbeing shoved down our throats? They certainly don't give a bleepbleep about women's health to put this blubberheaded dolt in. You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on October 6, 2002 03:21:00 PM new
I wonder how men reading this would feel if they knew their lives were mostly in female hands? All three doctors named were men. There are many fine female doctors. Why couldn't one be named? Never mind, I know the answer!
Wonder how men would feel if testing for Viagara was done on females and deemed safe for males to use for decades like Estrogen was?
OMG, the Christian Conservatives are a dangerous lot. I wouldn't be surprised if we went in to battle with white crosses on our chests!
If the ba$tards get control of women's bodies (and that is what the whole birth control and abortion thing seems to be, masquerading in a religious cloak) then women had d----ed well threaten a sexual strike. No sex, nothing!
Maybe female doctors could come up with a male chastity belt! The male’s wife or mother could keep the key and unlock it when desired. We could establish curfews for men. If they couldn't go out after dark half the week, women could conduct business, jog and play safely without fear of being raped
or beaten. If males misbehaved they would get a Scarlet Letter painted on the male chastity belt. The belt would be worn on the outside, so women could see it was intact.
Sound bad? Not any more than taking away half the U.S. population's rights to their bodies. What a bunch of Christian
B.S!
I feel sick and I am going to do some more calling tomorrow too. Not giving birth control to unmarried women? Where do these stupid people think all these children born because of the church will live?
posted on October 6, 2002 04:16:19 PM new
National Breast Cancer Coalition
1707 L Street, NW, Suite 1060, Washington, D.C. 20036
Voice: (202) 296-7477 Fax: (202) 265-6854
The North American Menopause Society
Post Office Box 94527
Cleveland, OH 44101, USA
Telephone: 440/442-7550
Fax: 440/442-2660
E-mail: [email protected]
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals (ARHP)
2401 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 350
Washington, DC 20037-1718 USA
I shall be writing snail mail letters to my reps and these people tomorrow in my chicken scratch.
Aposter, if you want to know what would happen in your scenario, read AHandmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood.
You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on October 6, 2002 10:21:01 PM new
Just wondering...which Scripture passage does Dr. W. David Hager recommend for men with jock itch? And do men read the the same Scripture when *they* get a headache, or is there a special one just for them?
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
"If all women simply left men, refused to have anything to do with any of them -- ever, all men, the government, and the national economy would collapse completely. Even without leaving men, women who are aware of the extent of their superiority to and power over men, could acquire complete control over everything within a few weeks, could effect a total submission of males to females. In a sane society the male would trot along obediently after the female. The male is docile and easily led, easily subjected to the domination of any female who cares to dominate him. The male, in fact, wants desperately to be led by females, wants Mama in charge, wants to abandon himself to her care. But this is not a sane society, and most women are not even dimly aware of where they're at in relation to men."
posted on October 7, 2002 11:16:51 AM new
The Medical Institute:
The only 100 percent effective way to avoid nonmarital pregnancy and STD infection is to avoid sexual activity outside a mutually faithful lifelong relationship - marriage.
The Medical Institute believes there is a new sexual revolution underway - one based on science, built on character and bridged through education.
Medical Institute's Board Members, including Dr. Hager
[18] Walter L. Larimore and Randy Alcorn, “Using the Birth Control Pill is Ethically Unacceptable,” in John F. Kilner, Paige C. Cunningham and W. David Hager (eds), The Reproduction Revolution (Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans, 2000), 179-191.
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_emer6.htm
"2001-MAY-15: USA: ACOG may recommend that women keep emergency contraceptive prescription available: According to Focus on the Family, Dr. Thomas Purdon, head of the 40,000 member American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), suggests that the group's members routinely issue prescriptions of emergency contraceptives to women patients of child-bearing age. Obstetrician-gynecologist Dr. David Hager opposes the suggestion: "I think it will add to individuals being sexually active without using a mechanism of contraception, which potentially not only increases the risk of pregnancy, but also sexually transmitted infections."
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/01-17-98/cover_2.asp
"Walter Larimore, a pro-life evangelical who is a family practice physician from Florida, surprised fellow doctors and nurses recently by announcing that he will no longer prescribe birth-control pills. The reason, he says, is that he believes "the Bible teaches that life begins at conception and that there is a significant chance that all hormonal birth control can have an abortive mechanism at least some of the time."
<snip>
David Hager, a pro-life OB/GYN from Kentucky, also believes the "hostile endometrium" may be an overstatement: Yes, birth control causes the endometrium to thin, but "the thinning should not necessarily inhibit implantation because the target of the implanting zygote is the mother's blood supply which lies below the endometrium.
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posted on October 8, 2002 10:24:46 AM new
I wonder how long it will be until HMO's are required to cover faith healing as an alternative form of medicine. After all it can't be proved that it doesn't work and it gives people more choices, and it would be a cheaper alternative and competition is always good and would inevitably lead to better medical care in the country.
Now I know that those arguments wouldn't have been considered reasonable ones in our uncivilized and unenlighted past, but very parallel reasoning is being used today to bring into serious debate many of the long established beliefs and traditions in our society. And if we are truly open-minded, our government should financially support religious truth equally with scientific truth. And if the government doesn't provide that financial support, how could we ever achieve the state of permanent political stability, or unity, in our own country, much less hope to share our progress with the rest of the world.
posted on October 8, 2002 10:37:01 AM new
Antiquary, lol. Then comes the daunting task of deciding which religious truth is the correct truth. They might have to go with Ba'hai.
I still like the Church of Apathetic Agnostics.
We don't know and we don't care is somehow inspirational in this climate. You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on October 8, 2002 11:22:14 AM new
Antiquary- I think you're on to something with the faith healing. We could solve the health insurance crisis with faith healing. Instead of conventional treatment, have the poor faith healed -- for free !!! The govt could use job training money to train poor people to be community faith healers.
Then if we get rid of public transportation and public housing, public education, we could actually have stone age era villages right here in the US.
posted on October 8, 2002 11:42:22 AM newI still like the Church of Apathetic Agnostics.
Yes, I loved that site.
Well, I think that we should subsidize them all, the amount of support dependent upon the number of registered voters. That's the only democratic way to handle it in merging church and state. This process will also increase the level of competition for membership, reducing the number but increasing the quality of religious experiences in order to pay the highest dividends to each member. Those religions that are non-profitable will eventually fall by the wayside or be absorbed by more profitable ones, until we reach the apex of civilization in which church, state, and economy are indistinguishable. Thus we will realize the state of perpetual peace and well-being which is the goal of each.
Of course, this end may be more problematic to achieve than it first appears but wasting time with detailed analyses on the probable consequences of actions isn't fashionable. So we need to seize the moment if we want to reach our ends as quickly as possible, which is, quite obviously, fashionable.
Reamond, yes. Exactly the course of action that we should be pursue. Only, in order to be absolutely fair, the relatively token amounts dedicated to the arts and humanities should be turned over to religious enterprises, and probably supplemented to create a new rennaissance in the arts. The logic there is impregnable since so much of the world's greatest art and literature has directly or indirectly resulted from a religious impetus. Who else could possibily be better qualified to superintend the arts? And in our newly perfect society we would want some balance between the sciences and arts.
posted on October 8, 2002 12:05:50 PM new
Antiquary, there is an easier way. Worship the corporation. Church, government, and economy all in one. You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on October 8, 2002 01:12:40 PM new
Hi Snowy! I'd vote for you for president. I like the idea of Jerry Falwell as secret weapon. I'm sure no one would mind the tin foil beanie.
posted on October 8, 2002 01:15:00 PM new
Rawbunzel, just for your vote, you can pick somewhere pleasant to be appointed to after taking care of that Nafta Treaty.
Free Beanies for All! You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on October 8, 2002 01:28:50 PM new
Aw Shucks! I'da voted for you for free but a nice appointment to a locale that can grow produce would be nice.
A tomato,a tomato...my vote for a tomato....
posted on October 8, 2002 02:18:13 PM new
May not be as appetizing but the connection is quite clear!
Antiquary, Next year if my tomatoes do as poorly as they did this year I would be happy to barter for some! I got one large ripe tomato and a handful of cherry tomatoes. Had just one BLT and a bit on salads and that was it! Pulling the plants this week as they are getting moldy.
Yes, I loved that site.
