bunnicula
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posted on January 31, 2003 12:53:35 PM new
http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/01/31/teacher.condom.demo.ap/index.html
Teacher fired after condom demonstration
"NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- School officials fired a high school teacher who gave ninth-graders a demonstration on condoms -- using props including mood lighting, music and a banana."
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Linda_K
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posted on January 31, 2003 03:10:59 PM new
These type of issues have found me on the 'fence' for years. On one hand I don't believe schools should be teaching anything sex related in the classroom, parents should be teaching their own child according to their own values. On the other hand, I've always felt I was pretty liberal in my views on sexual matters and felt all children need the information.
But, for me, this has always presented the issue of who should be teaching values and who should be teaching the basic RRRs.
IMO, the schools teach too many other things and not are not focusing on teaching the basics.
On the teacher....But he has maintained he never got proper sex education training -- and was never told condoms weren't allowed in classrooms. I would think he might have ASKED his administration before doing something so bold as to 'set the mood' for his demonstration.
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Helenjw
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posted on January 31, 2003 04:06:15 PM new
What a frivolous excuse to fire a teacher! Sex education should be available in all schools. With the problem of aids and unwanted pregnancies, I would think that everyone would agree.
It's strange that some people who are anti-abortion are anti-sex education. Does that make sense?
Holding sex education classes in school benefits those children whose parents do not teach the kids at home.
Although, by High School, the students probably know more than the teacher. LOL!
Helen
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bear1949
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posted on January 31, 2003 05:00:10 PM new
You should realize by now that being Politically Correct is everything nowadays. If your aren't correct, it is held against you.
Its like the school teacher that was reciently fired for stating her personal belief that inter racial marriages were wrong. (I'm looking for the link)
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Helenjw
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posted on January 31, 2003 07:25:22 PM new
Missouri school board fires teacher who opposed mixed-race marriages
Any teacher that ignorant should be fired.
Helen
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bear1949
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posted on January 31, 2003 07:32:12 PM new
Thanks Helen
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bunnicula
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posted on January 31, 2003 07:37:09 PM new
While I don't agree with her, she has the right to her opninions. Whether she has the right to voice them to her students is another question. Either way, it was not a firing offense. We seem to go way overboard in this country to punish the non-PC.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
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Helenjw
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posted on January 31, 2003 07:39:10 PM new
Another link
She has a right to her ignorant opinion but no right to insult students in her class by stating her racist thoughts. She deserved to be fired.
Crystal City teacher's fate is in board's hands
Helen
edited for no reason.
[edited by Helenjw on Jan 31, 2003 07:36 PM}
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drkosmos
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posted on January 31, 2003 08:25:02 PM new
IMO the Naples teacher was doing his job, teaching. I think the use of mood lighting and music just adds interest to the subject matter.
The other teacher was way out of bounds! Her opinions, whether they be racist or religious or whatever, should not be thrust upon her students. They're there to help the students acquire the skills to make logical decisions, not rascist ones.
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twinsoft
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posted on January 31, 2003 10:44:00 PM new
Teachers should stick to the three R's and leave their OPINIONS at home.
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colin
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posted on February 1, 2003 11:05:04 AM new
"Teachers should stick to the three R's and leave their OPINIONS at home."
Or on this board!!!!!
Amen,
Reverend Colin
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trai
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posted on February 1, 2003 11:17:34 AM new
parents should be teaching their own child according to their own values.
Thats fine, however the problem is that they do not! Too many parents use the school system as a "cheap" baby sitting service.
To fire a teacher over this is just plain insane!
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CBlev65252
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posted on February 1, 2003 11:42:16 AM new
Fortunately, I taught my son and daughter at home. They learned the more technical aspect from teachers in health class. I'm grateful for that. I work at a clinic and we offer free condoms. I am still amazed at the number of kids who do not use protection. My son, now a mini adult at 19, asks me to bring them home to him. However, some parents don't have that kind of relationship with their children and I think a lot of that stems from their upbringing. My mother never taught me. I "came of age" in the 1960's and 1970's so you know where I learned it from. I wish I could have learned more in school on the subject. I think because of the AIDS epidemic and the increasing number of teenage pregnancies, it needs to be taught in school. It's unfortunate, but we can't always rely on parents doing their job. I applaud the teacher.
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on February 1, 2003 11:51:02 AM new
When I was in high school sex education was part of the phys-ed program, along with basketball, tennis and hocky.
I don't understand why this teacher was fired.
Helen
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junquemama
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posted on February 1, 2003 12:30:54 PM new
Colin,If they stick to the 3 R's,The kids would be left to learn brhind the barn as the old saying goes.All the sex education they are getting is on TV with no consequences.The boys still believe all those beautiful women, in the commercials are sitting by the phone, waiting on them to call.Common sense has to start some where..
Sorry Colin,I didnt see Twinsofts remark.
[ edited by junquemama on Feb 1, 2003 12:37 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on February 1, 2003 12:55:58 PM new
trai - It's my position that the schools are doing/teaching way too many things parents should be teaching. Parents have handed over their parential responsibilities to the schools in many areas. And that takes away the little time [school days and hours continue to be shortened] they have to teach the basics.
As far as sex education...it doesn't have to be demonstrated in great detail. When I was in school they took the whole 3rd [maybe 4th] grade school girls to one auditorium. All classes were taught at the same time...so you didn't have each teachers own 'presentations' ever being an issue. The boys were, on a different day, given the same talk. They, with inanimate drawings, discussed the body functions of both sexes, how one got pregnant...etc. Those who hadn't learned in them home, learned there. We all understood what was presented, we didn't need this type of presentation, which imo is totally un-necessary.
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profe51
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posted on February 1, 2003 12:59:56 PM new
I don't think it's a firing offense either but teachers these days have to be ever-aware of offending somebody, and cash strapped districts are scared to death of lawsuits.All it would take is for one student to feel that the lesson was inappropriate, made him or her feel "uncomfortable", and you have the makings of an ugly sexual harrasment lawsuit. Whether it would eventually be thrown out or not is immaterial, it would cost the district gobs of legal fees to defend, and even more in PR in the community. If they weren't looking to can that teacher for other reasons, he is being made a scapegoat to avert further action against the district.
Until two years ago, at my local high school, sex ed. courses were electives, because every time the administration tried to make them required, the community would get all up in arms..."you're going to teach them how to have sex!!??"...this while the school had one of the highest pregnancy dropout rates in the state...clearly, they all ready knew how!! Now, the class is not available due to budget cuts and the need to strengthen "basics".
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colin
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posted on February 1, 2003 01:21:30 PM new
"When I was in high school sex education was part of the phys-ed program, along with basketball, tennis and hockey" Helen Writes.
When I was in school it was under the bleachers and after school.
I think sex ed. is important in our school systems. Far to many parents don't teach it at home. It shouldn't be a taboo thing but it seems to be. Young people have to learn somewhere.
Our Judeo-Christian roots are something to be proud of but the world is constantly changing and our Education System has to change with it. Change too must those phony puritans that scream and block there ears everything sex is mentioned.
Thank God for Strip Bars.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
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Linda_K
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posted on February 1, 2003 01:53:57 PM new
drkosmos - The other teacher was way out of bounds. Not sure which part [or all] you felt she was out of bounds on.
But while many here want sex taught in the schools, interacial issues SHOULD be discussed in regards to sex also, imo. As I said, back in the dark ages  , the sex ed class stuck to the facts, didn't get into theatrics. Stuck to if student A had sex with student B and B then had sex with .....and so on and so forth...this is how VD gets passed around so quickly.
They did discuss inter-racial issues. Genetics [this was in high school]..and how the gene can be dormant for a generation or two and pop up when one might not be expecting it to. So..I see no problem with a teacher who's sharing her knowledge and opinion of some of the issues that might present problems for some that involve inter-racial relations or sex.
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Helenjw
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posted on February 1, 2003 02:00:31 PM new
<<<Linda's quote>>>
"They did discuss inter-racial issues. Genetics [this was in high school]..and how the gene can be dormant for a generation or two and pop up when one might not be expecting it to. So..I see no problem with a teacher who's sharing her knowledge and opinion of some of the issues that might present problems for some that involve inter-racial relations or sex.
<<<END Linda's quote>>>
That, Linda, is one of the dumbest and most offensive comments that you have ever made.
What on earth does race have to do with sex?
Some day, the people of the world may be one shade. Does that bother you?
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Feb 1, 2003 02:10 PM ]
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junquemama
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posted on February 1, 2003 02:47:40 PM new
10...9....8....7...6...
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Linda_K
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posted on February 1, 2003 02:57:32 PM new
LOL - junquemama
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Helenjw
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:01:49 PM new
Is that your final answer?, Linda
Helen
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junquemama
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:02:46 PM new
uh-oh
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Linda_K
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:12:03 PM new
Helen - Not all people in American think the same way you do. And they, just like you, have a right to think, hold and express different opinions.
Not all people in American want to blend into one color. I'm saying they have that right....whether you or anyone else agrees. And as was stated, this teacher voiced her opinion and on the subject. Should she have? That's for each of us to decide as we view what we've been told.
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Helenjw
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:20:02 PM new
Linda,
It's unfortunate that what you've been told is so inadequate. I'm sorry about that.
Helen
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Linda_K
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:26:18 PM new
And just what have I been told that is so inadequate? Are you referring to my comment on genes? If you are look up dog breeding and how you can breed for a certain color. You can have two red dogs and have a liter of white and black or any color. Same thing happens in humans. Same thing with eye & hair color.
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CBlev65252
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:37:08 PM new
junquemama - You are too funny!
From the science channels I've been watching, the human race has its origins in Africa and the original Eve was black. That doesn't offend me in the least. I don't think a teacher should be spreading his or her views on inter-racial relationships to students. Sex has nothing to do with color and neither does love. People should be viewed for who they are and not what they are. Yes, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. It's an educator spreading negative viewpoints on inter-racial relationships to young impressionable students that is horribly wrong. They should be allowed to develope their own feelings on the subject.
Cheryl
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junquemama
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:39:48 PM new
[ edited by junquemama on Feb 1, 2003 04:02 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on February 1, 2003 03:47:55 PM new
Cheryl - Sex has nothing to do with color and neither does love.
Sex that results in a pregnancy does have an effect on future generations. Having ALL information to help one make decisions is a good thing...not a bad thing, imo.
Please understand what I'm saying. You and everyone else has a right to believe what you do. So do others who think differently. Like some of the religious don't like/believe that gay or transexual issues or agendas being pushed as of in the public schools is right either. [I hope to offend no one] Things they don't agree with are ALSO being taught to their children. They have a right to object or to hold a different opinion.
Again, saying it happens on both sides. Just as I would never tell someone they should NOT marry another person of a different race/culture I don't believe that it should work in reverse either. Choices....each our own....free to express them....with as much info. as is possible.
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