posted on February 14, 2003 07:34:02 PM new
You might remember this one. It was the So. Cal. case where the cops were videotaped slamming a black kid's head into the top of a patrol car.
This was the Redwood City case where a suspect was supposed to have been creating a disturbance. It ended with eight cops kneeling on the suspect's neck and chest. The suspect sustained broken ribs, internal hemhorraging and torn cartilage in the neck (broken windpipe) in addition to pepper spray in the nose and throat. According to the coroner's report, the official cause of death is "undetermined."
So, no determination that eight cops "kneeling" on the suspect's chest and neck, crushing his ribs and larynx (and top it of with a healthy dose of pepper spray down the throat) caused death.
posted on February 15, 2003 12:55:46 AM new
You're absolutely right. From what I've seen, it should only take 6 cops to subdue somebody strung out on meth.
posted on February 15, 2003 06:56:59 AM new
I agree twelvepole.
twinsoft - Many of your posts come across to me as really resenting the police. Maybe I'm taking them the wrong way. But have you, or someone you've known, had a terrible 'run-in' with the police that has formed this negative opinion of the job they perform for their communities?
posted on February 15, 2003 07:46:33 AM new
There are a lot of variables that influence police behavior.
The fact that you have not witnessed the type of attacks that twinsoft describes is probably because you live on the right side of the tracks and have that lovely shade of skin that you described in another thread.
posted on February 15, 2003 08:26:17 AM new
DAMN, AND I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE IN BAGHDAD BY NOW WITH AUSTBOUNTY AND BORILLAR....
IF YOU MEAN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TRACKS, WHERE PEOPLE THAT EARN MINIMUM WAGE STILL ACT LIKE CIVILIZED SOCIETY AND RESPECT EACH OTHER, YEAH I AM FROM THAT SIDE...
BUT BY LOOKING AT YOUR POST HELEN, ONE COULD SAY YOU ARE A BACKDOOR BIGOT, BY STEROTYPING INDIVIDUALS BY WHERE THEY LIVE.
posted on February 15, 2003 08:48:48 AM newYou're absolutely right. From what I've seen, it should only take 6 cops to subdue somebody strung out on meth.
Yeah, right. The suspect was creating a disturbance. He wasn't threatening anyone. He was killed by cops. There's a problem there, unless you believe that taking speed draws one an automatic death sentence, to be carried out by police in the street.
DO POLICE OFFICERS CROSS THE LINE? SURE, BUT 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 IT IS FOR OUR BENEFIT...
I'd rather the cops didn't commit murder "for my benefit." BTW, if you follow the SFPD story, the cops just stopped somebody on the street and kicked their ass. There was no crime at all.
posted on February 15, 2003 09:34:11 AM new
Looks like I'm not going to get my question answered. So I'll say that I agree with those who think like DeSquirrel.
The suspect was creating a disturbance. He wasn't threatening anyone. He was killed by cops. There's a problem there, unless you believe that taking speed draws one an automatic death sentence, to be carried out by police in the street.
No one believes police officers have a 'right' to take a life. That's what our judges and juries are for. But what you appear [to me] to not be willing to look at is the police were called on to do their duty [stop this disturbance]. The person causing the disturbance then decides whether to submit or to fight with them. They will use whatever force is necessary to subdue them. If it takes 6-8 police to do so...then so be it.
This could be used as a great example for not legalizing drugs. Just what we need, more drugged out people on our streets acting out.
I'd rather the cops didn't commit murder "for my benefit." There are many, other than yourself, who are supportive and glad to have their police making their streets more disturbance free. And they will make their own decision about whether each case, individually, was handled correctly.
posted on February 15, 2003 10:02:34 AM new
twinsoft - I believe you are taking what I'm saying in a way other than I intend. No one believes police officers should be allowed to kill anyone, especially not me. Nor do I believe that when [or if] they intentionally kill someone they should not be held to account for their actions. But rather, what I believe, is there are times when a person does die from injuries...not because the police [intentionally] set out to kill the person but in trying to subdue them, injuries occur.
I've just been surprise by your repeated stance that the police are always intentionally killing citizens....and just wondered where that might be coming from. That's all. Usually most people form their belief system around what they've experienced in their life [observed in their life].
