Korean paper says US documents supplied to their general assmbly tell of a North Korean warhead from ballistic missle was fired into Alaska and parts recovered.
Sometimes the government makes up a story - like the famous Gulf of Tonklin tale - to generate public outcry. Perhaps here they are covering up so the public doesn't demand action when they don't want to have to do so.
posted on March 4, 2003 01:56:59 PM new
They were aiming for Alaska but they didn't have one of the updated maps showing that it had been moved down near Hawaii.
posted on March 5, 2003 06:50:29 AM new
Sure gravid, there will be weapons used that that can destroy entire land masses the size or Korea. Yeah right.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling !!
North Korea has perhaps 18 million people left after their dictator has starved to death around 2 million.
For whatever reason, you and the other far lefties believe that it is better for dictators to starve, murder, and gas millions of civilians, than for any civilians to die in their liberation.
It is a good thing our country wasn't filled with hand wringing people that refused to risk lives and property in the late 18th century or we'd all be singing god save the queen.
posted on March 5, 2003 07:17:16 AM newIt is a good thing our country wasn't filled with hand wringing people that refused to risk lives and property in the late 18th century or we'd all be singing god save the queen.
Well if it had been, your country would still would have gained its independence, just a few decades later. Canada gained its independence from Britain without any bloodshed in 1867 and has remained on good terms with Britain ever since.
By the way, if you'd waited, slavery would have been abolished in 1833 (it was abolished throughout the British empire in that year) instead of in 1865.
posted on March 5, 2003 08:15:03 AM new
The case can be made that if America had not gained its independence through force, Canada would never had gained theirs. Britain allowed Canada to partially break away due to fear of another American type revolution and Canada not remaining in the Commonwealth. Being in the Commonwealth, as Canada is, meant still being a "dominion" of Britain until the crumbling of the Empire after WWII.
Irene- You have a strange and limited, and certainly non-American notion of what being independent means.
I would also add that had America remained in a dominion of the Empire, slavery would not have been outlawed. Britain was making more money off slavery than the American colony and who do you think owned the notes for the plantations and slaves, and bought the tobacco and cotton ?
America paved the way for Canada and the rest of the colonies. We also insisted that the colony system end after WWII, which was the beginning of our falling out with France.
posted on March 5, 2003 08:21:27 AM new. Being in the Commonwealth, as Canada is, meant still being a "dominion" of Britain until the crumbling of the Empire after WWII.
Britain had no say in Canadian elections and choice of policians and no Canadian tax revenues made their way to Britain. The Governor General (Queen's representative) role was (and still remains) purely ceremonial.
Think of the British Commonwealth as a mini United Nations that worked, with Britain early on playing the leadership role.
I wonder how independent American slaves felt between 1833 and 1865?
Irene
[ edited by stockticker on Mar 5, 2003 08:28 AM ]
posted on March 5, 2003 08:37:04 AM new
"Sure gravid, there will be weapons used that that can destroy entire land masses the size or Korea."
Actually you read a lot more into "none" than I meant.
I mean that what emerges may not reflect any remnants of either one of the current governments. It may end up a province of China.
The land will be there but the people could be significantly removed and the political structure completely gone.
When you make a huge assumptions about the other person's meaning like that, picking the most extreme meaning you can find it doesn't reflect well on you. In fact in sounds rather like Kim - the funny haired little extremist.
And I have said NOTHING at all about the merits or down side of allowing the North Korean government to continue or to remove it. If I worry there may be some problems soon that is certainly also true of the most enthusiastic proponents of change. If you knew me better you'd know I'm not much for hand wringing unless there's a neck in there between the fingers.
Regarding an earlier discussion we had, here is a full list of members of the British Commonwealth (which according to you are all one country - the United Kingdom):
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belize
Botswana
Brunei Darussalam
Cameroon
Canada
Cyprus
Dominica
Fiji Islands
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
India
Jamaica
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
New Zealand
Nigeria
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Samoa
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent and the Grenadines
Swaziland
The Bahamas
The Gambia
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
United Republic of Tanzania
Vanuatu
Zambia
Zimbabwe
posted on March 5, 2003 11:23:44 AM new
Gravid- The government of a united Korea due to military intervention will be an exact reflection of the government of South Korea.
Either way you meant it you're wrong. China can not even regain Taiwain because of our umbrella. China could have crushed Taiwain at any time with a human wave, but didn't. We flat told China that we would nuke them if they invaded Taiwain. The same as with Hong Kong and the other leased/cpntracted territories that Britain and others kept after the commie "revolution".
Had we had a less provocative General in MacArthur when the Chinese crossed into Korea, Truman probably would have threatened China with nukes unless they withdrew.
[ edited by Twelvepole on Mar 4, 2003 02:58 PM ]