posted on March 7, 2003 07:15:57 PM new
UK nuclear evidence a fake
British intelligence claims that Saddam Hussein has been trying to import uranium for a nuclear bomb are unfounded, according to UN nuclear inspectors
Ian Traynor
Saturday March 8, 2003
The Guardian
British intelligence claims that Saddam Hussein has been trying to import uranium for a nuclear bomb are unfounded and based on deliberately fabricated evidence, according to an investigation by the UN nuclear inspectors in Iraq.
posted on March 7, 2003 07:38:21 PM new
And then this picked up by Newsday.........
Colin Powell, Exercise Honorable Exit Strategy
By William O. Beeman
William O. Beeman teaches anthropology and is director of Middle East Studies at Brown University. This is from the Pacific News Service.
March 7, 2003
Colin Powell should resign - now, with honor.
I was the last of two people to see President Jimmy Carter's secretary of state, Cyrus Vance, in his office before he resigned over the Carter administration's handling of American affairs in the wake of the Iranian Revolution in 1978-79. Vance was a man of principle, caught in the gears of an internal ideological struggle in the White House.
It may now be time for Secretary of State Colin Powell to consider resigning for much the same reasons.
posted on March 7, 2003 08:21:48 PM newGood grief! Maybe the inspection team should start over.
"The fabrication was transparently obvious and quickly established, the sources added, suggesting that British intelligence was either easily hoodwinked or a knowing party to the deceit."
In addition to this report, last month, chemical weapons experts destroyed "banned" Iraqi weapons that were falsely reported to contain mustard gas. Later it was determined that the missiles were empty.
Then there was the plagiarized paper used by Powell to justify the Iraq war from England that was found to be written by a graduate student 12 years ago.
And the eroneous poison factory claim below....
If Colin Powell were to visit the shabby military compound at the foot of a large snow-covered mountain, he might be in for an unpleasant surprise. The US Secretary of State last week confidently described the compound in north-eastern Iraq - run by an Islamic terrorist group Ansar al-Islam - as a 'terrorist chemicals and poisons factory.'
Yesterday, however, it emerged that the terrorist factory was nothing of the kind - more a dilapidated collection of concrete outbuildings at the foot of a grassy sloping hill. Behind the barbed wire, and a courtyard strewn with broken rocket parts, are a few empty concrete houses. There is a bakery. There is no sign of chemical weapons anywhere - only the smell of paraffin and vegetable ghee used for cooking.
posted on March 7, 2003 08:37:53 PM new
Im glad some of the truth is comeing out,now when people find out all the dirty dealings going on behind their back,it wont be a surprize.All the cuts going on under the table,and Bush does double speak about all the great programs he is going to boost.
Hes cut basic services,not waste,and insulted the Veterens of our last wars by cutting their services.This is from a man who was AWOL for almost 2 years.Ive read a lot of history on George,Money put him in office,not his political savey.I dont hate or dis-like the republican party,I dont care for the powers that run it now.
posted on March 7, 2003 09:22:53 PM new
And another reason for the rush.
This is the deficit projection, without the invasion and occupation costs factored into it.
$1.82T Deficit Predicted in Bush Budget
Bush Budget Would Yield $1.82 Trillion in Deficits Through 2013, Analysts Say
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON March 7 —
President Bush's budget would produce unyielding deficits through the next decade totaling $1.82 trillion, Congress' top budget analyst said Friday in a report that could help lawmakers trying to shrink Bush's plan for fresh tax cuts.
The analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office accentuated how abruptly the government's fiscal fortunes are declining. Just two years ago, forecasters envisioned an unprecedented $5.6 trillion in surpluses for the next decade.
posted on March 8, 2003 01:08:10 AM new
Well, well, well! Here's ANOTHER thread that the Super-Patriots will refuse to respond to! Information like this acts like Ant Poison on them and they avoid these sorts of revealing threads. Ahh! All the more room for us!
Too bad Deuce really can't comment on stuff like this. I am happy to see that he does still lurk, but seldom surfaces. I wonder if this stuff makes him wonder about his vote two years ago?
posted on March 8, 2003 06:58:16 AM new
All I can say is what I get does not coincide with many media reports.
Think about it...if you wanted your restricted items to NOT be found, do you think they'd be out in the open for the UN teams to discover? Of course not, you'd hide them, in the sand, underwater, strategically placed in places no one would think to look. Would it really be that difficult to keep some of this from 100's of inspectors in a country the size of Iraq? Heck, I have trouble finding things in my own house!
Personally, I'm not too worried about Iraq's nuclear/potential nuclear arsenal; biological & chemical are by far the threat. Seems some assume that WMD fall into the nuclear category, omitting B&C from their thoughts.
The report says there is “credible information” indicating that 21,000 litres of biological warfare agent, including some 10,000 litres of anthrax, was stored in bulk at locations around the country during the war and was never destroyed.
From the top inspector himself...so where are these 1000's of liters of potential weapons?
[ edited by deuce on Mar 8, 2003 06:58 AM ]
posted on March 8, 2003 07:13:19 AM new
The report of faked evidence is going through the mainstream media now. The regional papers picking it up, etc.
Also, this story from the Washington Post is revealing about the splits developing among the different conservative factions and within the Republican Party. They are usually much better about keeping their battles in-house than the democrats, but the criticism from the right is also building. As well it should.
GOP Leader Challenges Bush Statements
House Republicans Sensitive to Criticism They Underfunded Homeland Security
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 8, 2003; Page A04
A senior Republican lawmaker, firing back at President Bush for recent statements blaming Congress for underfunding emergency workers, accused the White House of factual inaccuracy and inadequate communication.
In an extraordinary departure from the public unity that has characterized White House relations with congressional Republicans, House Appropriations Committee Chairman C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.) wrote to urge White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. to "be responsible" and "move on from this pointless and harmful debate" over legislation passed last month that included money for "first responders" involved in homeland security.
A copy of the letter, dated March 6, was provided to The Washington Post.
Though lawmakers, even those in Bush's party, often chafe at the administration's hard-nosed tactics, the letter underscored the unusually raw feelings that have developed among House Republicans since Bush began blaming them for inadequate homeland security funds. Democrats have long criticized Bush for inaccurate statements on spending and other matters, but this is the most prominent case of a Republican accusing Bush of falsehoods.
"I believe White House statements that Congress only provided $1.3 billion for first responders are factually inaccurate because you have narrowly chosen programs that only you believe will support the first-responder community," Young wrote in the three-page letter accusing the White House of various contradictions and inconsistencies.
"You can choose to continue the debate on this issue in this fashion, or we can be responsible and address the real issues facing first responders," Young wrote following a six-point critique. "It would be helpful to have a periodic exchange of information on this issue and other issues of importance to our country, instead of one-way directives from the Office of Management and Budget."
And they're infiltrating the Republican party and every segment of American society.
Why, I've heard, maybe it was Rush, I can't remember right now, that there are a million little old ladies out there with grenades, switchblades, and sawed-off shotguns hidden in over-sized purses who are cleverly passing the time baking cookies and attending bible study classes, but ready to stage a massive attack on democracy and capitalism, and they are all under the control of Iraqi intelligence agents.
posted on March 8, 2003 09:52:29 AM newMr ElBaradei's presentation before the UN Security Council also cast doubt on the rest of the evidence that the US and UK have made public to back claims that Iraq tried to revive its nuclear weapons programme after 1998. "After three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons programme in Iraq," he said.
But Colin Powell, US secretary of state, reminded the Security Council that in 1991 the IAEA had been just days away from determining that Iraq did not have a nuclear programme. "We soon found out otherwise," he said.
At the bottom of the MSNBC article it says: "Powell's spokesman said the secretary of state had consulted numerous experts and stood by his UN statement" [Friday-yesterday]
http://www.msnbc.com/news/882311.asp?pne=msntv
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On the FT.Com/World/US site this was said: "Mr. ElB... also repeated his judgement that it was "highly unlikely" that aluminuim tubes that Iraq tried to purchased could be designed for use in uranium enrichment programme as US and Britain."
For me I'll wait to hear Powell's statements on this issue. If he changes his mind, which is in disagreement with what Mr. ElB.. reported yesterday, my mind might be changed. Until then I'll put my trust in Powell. He has a proven history and the UN inspectors were wrong before. 1-0.
posted on March 8, 2003 01:07:33 PM new
I say, Antiquary, that you gott'm by the Balls here! If these blind Super Patriots would actually READ your links, I think that they wouldn't dare to post anything in here at all. Deuce, who usually does know what he's talking about, is not on that list of """" . . . ya know?
posted on March 8, 2003 01:19:37 PM newEXCUSE ME!!!!! What a racist, hateful thing to say. What in the world would came over you to say something like that?
YOU'VE STEPPED WAY OVER THE LINE ON THIS ONE, BORILLAR
posted on March 8, 2003 01:26:14 PM new
Damn Borillar,hope you dont bleed much after cutting your own throat.Thats unacceptable,I dont care who you may say said it.I suggest you remove it,and fast!
posted on March 8, 2003 02:35:01 PM new
Boy, are you people ever acting stupidly today. Your reading comprehension is minimal. That you are putting words into my mouth that I have not spoken (or written) shows how dismal your cognitive abilities are. For Linda especially, who chooses to use this as a pretext to not answer my questions.
posted on March 8, 2003 02:41:03 PM new
>I would say your above quote explains why you dislike Powell so much. Or, is it just black Republicans?
You can hold whatever opinion that you like of me Tex and I really couldn't care less. Do I dislike Powell so much or is it Black Republicans? No, it's bigoted Texan Republicans that do all of that.
I assume no ownership to threads, and though the word in question is not one that I personally ever use I think I see its satirical intent. And the faked evidence, etc., is all over the internet and mainstream journalism anyway. As well as the economic malfeasance.
But whatever! I'll leave it to all of you to fight it out. I have a pressing deadline to finish work here before next weekend and then we'll be traveling. But all of you will remain lovingly in my thoughts.
posted on March 9, 2003 02:51:15 PM new
British (and American) intel officials look foolish for not catching the bogus nature of those documents.
Nothing in the report says the British faked the evidence, however . . .
[ edited by ferncrestmotel on Mar 9, 2003 02:55 PM ]
