posted on April 11, 2003 01:05:12 AM new
Yeah! Yeah! Dat pesky ole US CONSTITUTION sure is soooooooo inconvenient, huh??!!
Gee, things would be sooo much easier if EVERYBODY goosestepped together down to the beerhall for a good ole-fashioned book-burning & weiner-roast, right??
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?" http://tinyurl.com/5duz
posted on April 11, 2003 03:24:35 AM new
So your saying it would be better to sashay down to the coffee house for a poetry reading and croissant toasting?
posted on April 11, 2003 03:44:25 AM new
If that floats your boat, why not??!!
Some folks like to go to Biketoberfest in Daytona Beach, FL, while others like to got to a Broadway play in NYC, while others might like to stay at home & read TS Eliot to Ralphie!
What makes this country GREAT is that ALL are allowed to do thus!
Once you begin to try & force Americans to ALL march to the same tune, where's the difference from Saddam or Uncle Joe or the Little Corporal??
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?" http://tinyurl.com/5duz
posted on April 11, 2003 06:45:30 AM newFreedom of Speech means that the USA protects UN-COMFORTABLE Speech!
Then how come when others voice their speech it is labled censorship?
Take the not playing of Dixie Chicks records... those people were expressing their freedom of speech and were thought to be using censorship, which is not the case, dixie chicks could still sing any where they were wanted...
No one wants to accept any consequences for their "free" speech, they just want ot spew forth... whatever you do behind close doors where I don't have to hear it is fine with me... If you are on a street corner yelling, that is fine, but when your "free" speech starts impeding my "freedom" of movement, that is no longer acceptable free speech because you are now interfering with my freedoms.
posted on April 11, 2003 07:15:33 AM new
tomwiii - it's interesting that you have decided this post needed your lecture on freedom of speech.
From what I've seen in the past, twelvepole, colin, and myself are all advocates of freedom of speech.
The offer for anyone who wants out is valid - because here in America, we have a right to leave. Try doing that in Saddam-era Iraq or modern day North Korea. Or - change what you don't like. (By the way, that's a better option, and something you can actually do in a democracy)
No one here is suggesting people be forced to think or do anything, so I suggest you take your sanctimonious and trite "goosestepping" comments to a thread where they are warranted . . . if you can find one.
[ edited by ferncrestmotel on Apr 11, 2003 07:16 AM ]
posted on April 11, 2003 08:34:14 AM new
Basically, that link asserts that to be a "true" American, one HAS to embrace Bush's war...or leave the country!
THAT'S just plain wrtong! I may feel personally that Jane Fonda is a horses ass, but I support her right to spew whatever garbage she wants to!
I find the American Nazis Party & the KKK repungant...but supported their right to march through Cicero, IL!
Ralphie loves Mr Blonde:
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?" http://tinyurl.com/5duz
posted on April 11, 2003 02:33:39 PM newI find the American Nazis Party & the KKK repungant...but supported their right to march through Cicero, IL!
But be sure to wave hello to 12-pole and REAMOND/Reamond/reamond as they pass by in review......
the R-Guy will be easy to recognize...he will be wearing three sheets....
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both boldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
- Julius Caesar
posted on April 11, 2003 02:44:48 PM new
I kind of like that site. I don't think the person running it saying that everyone should think the same as him/her, rather I think it's a nice way of saying put your money where your mouth is. If some one doesn't like what our government is doing but opts to complain about it and not ATTEMPT to become part of the solution, then fine, find somewhere better.
As for the KKK marching through Cicero, because of our country's free speech, I would defend their right to march but don't think I wouldn't be out there protesting the fact that they exist.
posted on April 11, 2003 03:19:25 PM new
tomwiii - clivebarkerfan gets it.
I support free speech implicitly, and that includes the rights of dissidents to voice their opinions, because dissidence is a healthy symptom of a true democracy.
But I don't have to like ill-considered, inarticulate pot shots taken at my country or its leaders.
The guy that created that website was frustrated at those who compare President Bush to Hitler and make other baseless and hurtful statements.
While I respect the AMERICAN RIGHT of people to think, say, and believe such things, I can't help but wonder why someone would say them and not seek change or just leave.
So don't accuse me and the others of being against the Constitution or its provisions - that would just be one more warped spin on things.
[ edited by Twelvepole on Apr 10, 2003 07:27 AM ]