posted on April 27, 2003 08:07:15 AM new
....that they thought Condi Rice should/might run for President?
Turned on The Tim Russert show last night...and lo and behold O'Reilly was being interviewed.
They were talking about the different candidates running for the democratic nomination and Russert asked Bill his opinions on each person. While doing so, they started talking about if President Bush runs in 2004 would he keep Chaney as his VP. Bill said he thought Chaney should be 'kept around', but thought a better idea would be to put Condi Rice on the ticket as VP. Get her trained and *ready to run for President in 2008*. He spoke to Rice's intelligence, her overall experience/job performance, her HONESTY, etc.
Now that *WOULD* be something to watch. Rice vs. H. clinton.
Anyway when you [whoever you were] first made that statement....just know that others are suggesting the same thing and it's being discussed. Maybe more will seriously start debating the subject.
Another thing that Bill mentioned that I wasn't aware of was that Hillary has had her thesis sealed. LOL Wonder why??? Sure hope someone/reporter questions that IF she decides to run in 2008. Especially with her early work history.
Seems kind of an odd thing for one to do. Anyone else ever hear of a person running for elected office sealing up their college thesis? Kinda reminds me of 'hidden/private feedback'.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 27, 2003 08:42:09 AM new
She must have said the truth about a few things or actually taken a position on something - all career killoers for a politico.
posted on April 27, 2003 01:32:26 PM new
gravid - She must have said the truth about a few things TRUTH??? Not from Hillary....sorry. But I did wonder if it might contain her philosophy from her college days when she worked for Communist Laywers. Maybe some of their philosophy rubbed off on her. She is very, very far left...much more than Bill was/is.
I do hope there is some way to have it opened before/if she runs in 2008.
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ebayauctionguy - I thought it might be you, but didn't want to 'blame' you if you hadn't. And I didn't have the time to spend doing a search to try and check.
That suggestion SURE got my attention.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 27, 2003 05:38:56 PM new
Helen - Are you saying this is un true?
Hillary Rodham did her post Yale Law school internship with Robert Treuhalft Esquire in Berkley Calif. He was the lawyer for the Communist Party of the United States.
Many other interesting tidbits on the clintons in there too.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 27, 2003 05:47 PM ]
posted on May 7, 2003 05:45:16 AM new
It's settled now....Cheney will be on the 2004 ticket along with Bush.
"The president has asked me if I would serve again as his running mate. I've agreed to do that," he said Tuesday in an interview with The Dallas Morning News."
But watch out!! Condi Rice may still be on the ticket in 2008.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on May 7, 2003 04:20:36 PM new
No, the Cheney thing isn't quite as important as the ramblings of a 20-year-old college student. It's not like it was anything important, really ... He's just hiding the names of the energy industry lobbyists he met with, along with the documents they presented to his task force. The General Accounting Office actually had to file suit against him for breaking the law ... at which point Cheney decided he'd just break the GAO instead.
John Dean, former counsel to President Richard Nixon, obviously doesn't see this as clearly as you do. Dean wrote in a column on the web site FindLaw: "Not since Richard Nixon stiffed the Congress during Watergate has a White House so openly, and arrogantly, defied Congress's investigative authority. Nor has any activity by the Bush Administration more strongly suggested they are hiding the incriminating information about their relationship with the now-moribund Enron, or other heavy-hitting campaign contributors from the energy business."
Apparently Dean has his priorities a bit skewed. Surely it's a great deal more scandalous that Wellesley temporarily took this essay off the shelves (It's back now) than that George W. Bush has cut off access to vast amounts of historical documents not only of his own administration, but of documents dating back to the Reagan administration. Wow, looks like GOP stalwart Dan Burton has his information all messed up, too. His comment on the ongoing Bush attempts to hide records: "We've got a dictatorial president and a Justice Department that does not want Congress involved. ... Your guy's acting like he's king."
Yet they're completely ignoring this flagrant Hillary coverup! Where is the justice?
posted on May 7, 2003 04:53:04 PM new
Since Cheney is on the ticket for 2004, republican bigwigs are probably planning to run Jeb Bush in 2008. That's too bad because a republican black woman as the President of the United States would absolutely blow people's minds. In this country and around the world. Not only would Condi Rice be another Margaret Thatcher, but her presidency would really help this country (and maybe the world) get over our racial hang ups. Democrats would lose their monopoly on minority voters.
Who knows, maybe Jeb might run with Condi as vice pres. That might not be a bad idea...
posted on May 7, 2003 05:06:55 PM new
msincognito - LOL....look how you excuse it so simply as "the ramblings of a 20-year-old college student".
RIGHT. LOL
I'd bet it's quite rare for anyone to have their college thesis sealed. There would be no reason to 'HIDE' anything. But if you or your husband were becoming involved in the political area and you may had built your thesis around anything that might hurt you in that area....sure seal it up so people won't know. Her position with the lawyer of the Communist Party USA might of had an influence on her thesis.
If she runs in 2008, it most likely WILL be a subject of discussion. LOL
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on May 8, 2003 12:37:40 AM new
didnt the adminastration have bushes school records sealed? national security or something like that. what other secrets are the republicans hiding?
posted on May 8, 2003 03:01:43 PM new
She.
Was.
Twenty.
Years.
Old.
When I was 20 years old, my hair was blue. I drove a Maverick. I was living with a drummer, whom my parents didn't know about. I thought I might be a lesbian. I thought I might go work for Greenpeace. I refused to eat anything that ever came from animals. I turned down my Dad's offer of diamonds in my class ring because of South Africa, even though I couldn't really pronounce "apartheid."
Now I am ... not 20. My hair is brown with lighter brown highlights that cost $120 a pop. I drive a Saturn. I live with an attorney and, on odd weekends, a nine-year-old girl, both of whom my parents love. I'm sure I'm not a lesbian. I work in an office and take half-hour lunches at my desk. I eat salmon, hamburgers and filet mignon and it rarely even occurs to me to feel guilty. Diamonds are now A-OK with me.
Somewhere in my spare room is a box full of journals, term papers, short stories and poetry I wrote when I was in college. The only purpose they would serve today would be to embarass and amuse and to suggest that I am a person generally inclined to be politically liberal. Whatever Clinton wrote in 1969 tells us nothing about what she thinks and feels today, just as nobody would seriously believe that I still believe that marijuana should be sold in vending machines. Yeah, I wrote a term paper about that once. Doesn't mean I still feel that way.
That reminds me of a good professor of sociology who wrote his doctorial thesis addressing a problem related to prostitution. I can't remember the problem but at least everyone had a good laugh about it.
posted on May 8, 2003 03:44:12 PM new
msincognito - Thank you for sharing your 20's with us.
The other side of the coin is just because you changed, doesn't mean she also changed. It's completely possible that she still holds the same political views she did then.
posted on May 8, 2003 04:30:11 PM new
Possible? Yes. Some opinions don't change. I still think black-haired men with green eyes are the cutest ever.
But if you want to know how someone feels now, you have to ask them. You can't just go digging something up from 30 years ago and say "No, this is how you feel. This proves it. This is the definitive final word on how you feel and it will be relevant forever and ever."
The only time people ever do that, really, is when they have a vendetta. And they want to prove something nasty about someone - say, a politician. So they look to their current stated opinions, and that doesn't help. They rake through their recorded votes on issues ... nope, no ammunition there. They dig up stories from five and 10 years ago. Darn! No dirt! Then they go back further ... and further ... digging ... and digging .... Wait! Here's something! She wrote something when she was a senior in college and they won't let us see it! So it must be evil-awful-dreadful-terrible, and we're going to assume all the worst possible things in the world!
Guess what? That thesis has been long since made available. And I knew that when I wrote my first post. I was just waiting to see if you ever managed to come with that information.
The thesis is a little revolutionary. Mostly in its dedication - to Saul Alinsky, whose politics were quite radical - as were the politics of Robert Truehaft - though he quit the Communist Party years before Clinton ever accepted an internship with him. But the actual theme of the thesis was "A Comparative Study on Community Action Programs for the Poor" in which she theorized that, in short, government doesn't do enough for the poor in this country.
Woh. That's radical stuff. Slam it around her neck and light it on fire. She wanted to help poor people.
In fact, the truth about Hillary Clinton, and I say this not because I admire her (because I really don't care for her that much) is that she was pretty darn impressive, even at the age of 20. Life Magazine featured her in its 1969 college issue and reprinted her commencement address. (She was the first student Welleseley EVER invited to speak at commencement.) So there you go. Nasty little secret. She wanted to help poor people.
So have a ball with that. Ignore the fact that the current president has urinated all over public-access laws and closed reams of records that should, by tradition and law, be public property and open to anyone who cares to look. Ignore the fact that the vice-president has used the power of his office to hide his efforts to pad his own former business associates' wallets. Focus on that senior thesis of the junior senator from new York. That's where the real story is.
posted on May 8, 2003 05:18:14 PM new
msincognito - Thank you for taking the time to post that bit of information....I appreciate it, really. Although I'd still like to read it for myself...and form my own opinions on what she put forth.
They dig up stories from five and 10 years ago. Darn! No dirt! Then they go back further ... and further ... digging ... and digging ....
Yes...BOTH sides do that. Here on these threads I've read so many things that Bush has done, almost since the day he was born. It is just amazing to me, but that's politics.
A little revolutionary....means different things to different people. You I would bet....you do see it as a 'little revolutionary'....where myself and others might see it as being much more left than even socialism.
You share your take on her thesis was basically 'the government doesn't do enought for the poor in this country" and see why no one could possibly find fault with that. Well....rest assured...she's made up for it with her Senate votes. I don't believe there has been ONE spending bill that she has has NOT voted for. She votes to spend it all.
For me, I feel our government should be helping the poor learn to take care of themselves.....not making them dependent by providing everything for them. Basic, but vast, difference in philosophy.
So....if her thesis was basically stating her views on help the poor, she'd have no reason to have it sealed, imo. Would be nothing to 'hide' there.
It more than likely would be the agreement/support for those who were/are against our form of government.
posted on May 8, 2003 05:41:50 PM new
For me, I feel our government should be helping the poor learn to take care of themselves.....not making them dependent by providing everything for them. Basic, but vast, difference in philosophy.
Why then has the current administration cut funding to individual states making them insolvent.
This has forced states to cut funding to education programs and basic services (police, fire etc.). How does cutting education help the poor learn to be self sufficient?
posted on May 8, 2003 06:43:18 PM new
davebraun - Why then has the current administration cut funding to individual states making them insolvent. Let's put the responsibility where it should be placed...in the laps of the states...they made themselves insolvent. Bush didn't. They chose during the boom times to spent every penny they could. Had tons of extra tax money. Did they give it back to the tax payers? Heck no. There's extra because times are good....well heck...spend it!!! Now the economy heads south for a while and everyone screams and places blame on Bush. He wasn't responsible for the states decisions on how they were spending their money.
Take CA...the worse imo. They increased and added programs during the technology boom. I'd have to see the numbers before placing any blame anywhere other than in the governors lap. Could be the numbers are back where they originally were during clinton's first term. It's the spend spend spend thinking of the liberals that cause a lot of these problems.
Governor Gray Davis made the decision to cut back on the school funding. That was HIS choice...not Bush's.
posted on May 8, 2003 06:46:57 PM newThank you for taking the time to post that bit of information....I appreciate it, really. Although I'd still like to read it for myself...and form my own opinions on what she put forth.
I read the thesis on the web when Lazio tried to "leak" it. The site that I printed it from seems to be down, but I suspect it's still out there somewhere. In more detail, she basically looked at community-based "New Deal" type programs and decided they really didn't work as well as many people thought because there was too much overlap and duplication, and too many gaps (like health care.) This is a bit of historical enlightenment, but her ideas have evolved and been fleshed out a great deal since then. It's basically a senior essay, not much more.
I'm going to ask you flat-out. If you're so concerned about this, what do you think about George W. Bush's decision to withhold documents reaching back to the Reagan administration?
posted on May 8, 2003 06:57:00 PM newIf you're so concerned about this... I wouldn't describe it as 'concerned'. Just found it VERY odd that she would do that. And a point I have heard others question why she would have had them sealed.
what do you think about George W. Bush's decision to withhold documents reaching back to the Reagan administration? I haven't read any statements from the President about that decision. Honestly...I haven't. But I do know many presidents don't release a lot of informtion, just because someone requests it. The clinton's sure didn't. Maybe it's just 'politics' in play again.
posted on May 9, 2003 06:00:30 PM new
There is absolutely no comparison. None. Nada. Zip.
The Clinton thesis was a document produced at a private university by a student as a product of an education that was privately paid for and had no bearing on public policy at the time or in the future. Taxpayers didn't pay for her education. They have no "right" to see her classwork - just a tradition that these are generally placed in the library of the school. And the thesis has been available for the past two years.
The documents Bush is s(t)ealing are all public documents - rooms full of them - that were generated with taxpayer dollars, are mandated by law to be open and available to the public and probably will shed a great deal of light on very recent history and current events. The only logical reason for closing them is to avoid embarassment for members of the current administration. They are playing politics in a desparate attempt to keep the records secret. A column in the conservative Wall Street Journal (Google cache- read it quick) pointed out as much: "When U.S. District Court Judge John Bates tossed out the lawsuit in December, his ruling was clearly mired in politics. This is the same man who worked for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr during the investigation into Whitewater and supervised the investigation into Whitewater figure Vince Foster's death and the billing records of Hillary Clinton's law firm." (Which billing records were, by the way, also privately generated documents.)
I get so angry about this because it's so patently unfair. The right scrutinizes every aspect of its targets' lives obsessively, prying into areas where they have no justifiable reason to look, demanding that their victims open up every intimate detail of their lives up to scrutiny and making up lascivious reasons for any refusal, however righteous.
Yet they turn a blind eye to rampant thuggery on the part of their heros. George Bush could rape 40 virgins on the White House lawn and the most we'd hear from right-wingers is that the girls were probably floozies anyway.
posted on May 9, 2003 11:05:43 PM newI get so angry about this because it's so patently unfair. The right scrutinizes every aspect of its targets' lives obsessively, prying into areas where they have no justifiable reason to look, demanding that their victims open up every intimate detail of their lives up to scrutiny and making up lascivious reasons for any refusal, however righteous.
But the latest revelation-that the Clinton Administration obtained the FBI files on some 400 Republican government workers-is not pettiness. It challenges the structure of our government and the historic relationship of the President to Congress and to the people.
