posted on June 27, 2003 06:47:47 PM newIf gay marriage is ok, why not incest marriage?
Why not indeed. How about a gay incest marriage ?
The reasons against incestuous marriages really do not hold water anymore.
Relatives can marry and remain childless, adopt, use artificail conception etc..
The reasoning behind outlawing incestuous marriages was genetic problems of the offspring, and before this genetic issue was realized, incestuous marriage was very common.
Many of these laws have been in existence so long, the reasons for them are no longer applicable.
posted on June 27, 2003 10:23:16 PM new
Why dont people like you not want to believe
that gay people are born that way. Nobody chooses to be gay.
The chromosones in their brain are from their dad if they are a girl or their mom if they are a boy.
There are alot of gay people out their that comit suicide becouse they dont like what they are. People that claim to be christians do nothing but hate them instead of excepting them as gods children. Hypicrits. Ive heard so called christians tell them they should all die and burn in hell. Its rediculous and ignorant.
"He who is without sin cast the first stone".
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".
This far right ignorance is pathetic and primitive.
posted on June 28, 2003 01:43:07 AM new
How can they be "GOD's" children there bigcitycollectibiles? Have you even opened a Bible? Yeah I thought not... how about reading it and then come here and make that asinine statement.
posted on June 28, 2003 04:16:10 AM new
To each his own, judge not lest ye be judged and all that. I have friends that are gay and I have no problem with them. In fact, I have less problems with them. I'd rather have a gay couple as a neighbor than some of the neighbors I have now (they lean more to being like you, 12). No one has the right to judge another's lifestyle. If God disapproves, (and unless you have a direct link to the God telephone how would you know what God thinks?), He'll be the judge. This world would be a nicer place to live if we could all learn to get along and if we worried more about what we are doing that might offend someone and less about what someone else is doing. Wordy, but you get the meaning.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Jun 28, 2003 04:16 AM ]
posted on June 28, 2003 06:55:47 AM new
Twelvepole,
We shouldn't have to consult a bible verse or a god to identify a compassionate and fair approach to gay lifestyles. Gay men and women are citizens of this country and after decades of persecution they deserve to be recognized as such. No gay person should be stigmatized for something he cannot change.
posted on June 28, 2003 07:29:44 AM new
Leviticus 18:19 And you may not go near a woman or have sex relations with her when she is unclean, at her regular time.
posted on June 28, 2003 07:56:32 AM new
Leviticus 19:28 You may not make cuts in your flesh in respect for the dead, or have marks printed on your bodies: I am the Lord.
Leviticus 22:25 And from one who is not an Israelite you may not take any of these for an offering to the Lord; for they are unclean, there is a mark on them, and the Lord will not be pleased with them.
Leviticus 25:46 And they will be your children's heritage after you, to keep as their property; they will be your servants for ever; but you may not be hard masters to your countrymen, the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 14:10 But any which have no skin-plates or wings for swimming, you may not take; they are unclean for you.
Deuteronomy 14:21 You may not have as food anything which has come to a natural death; the man from another country who is living with you may take it for food, or you may get a price for it from one of another nation; for you are a holy people to the Lord your God. The young goat is not to be cooked in its mother's milk.
Deuteronomy 23:24 When you go into your neighbour's vine-garden, you may take of his grapes at your pleasure, but you may not take them away in your vessel.
Matthew 6:24 No man is able to be a servant to two masters: for he will have hate for the one and love for the other, or he will keep to one and have no respect for the other. You may not be servants of God and of wealth.
posted on June 28, 2003 08:16:51 AM new
Very good Austbounty... it is too bad you really don't believe what you have written...
Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION, no less deviant behavior than when some "person" takes their cat out behind the barn and "pumps" it for all its worth...
posted on June 28, 2003 08:23:54 AM new
So twelvepole, you support killing homosexuals?
Leviticus 20:13 states: "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death".
[ edited by clarksville on Jun 28, 2003 08:25 AM ]
posted on June 28, 2003 08:28:17 AM new
"The term abomination (to'ebah) is a religious term, usually reserved for use against idolatry; it does not mean a moral evil. The verse [ Leviticus 18:22 ] seems to refer to temple prostitution, which was a common practice in the rest of the Middle East at that time. Qadesh referred to male religious prostitutes. (See the discussion of Deuteronomy)."
posted on June 28, 2003 08:28:43 AM new
Cor.. 34-35 "As in all churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate as the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."
"To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure." {Titus 1:15}
{2 Sam 25-26} Jonathan lies slain upon thy high places, I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant have you been to me, your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women".
Matthew 19:12, Christ says "For there are eunuchs who have been born incapable of marriage, and there are eunuchs who have been made by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves incapable of marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let him who is able to accept this, accept it"
Isaiah 56 3-5
"let not the eunuch say 'Behold, I am dry tree' for thus says the Lord, 'To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who chose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters, I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.'".
Proverbs 6:16-19 "there are six things which the Lord hates, seven which are an ABOMINATION to him; haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plan, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers."
Mark 12:30-31 "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these."
posted on June 28, 2003 08:37:47 AM new
twelvepole
The Bible was used during the 1800s to support both sides of the slavery issue. Even today, the bible is used for both sides for the equality of the black Americans.
The Bible can be interpreted to support any side of any issue.
Unfortunately, the Bible has been used as a weapon for some groups to keep them oppressed, women, non-whites, homosexuals, etc.
To equate a rape of a cat to this issue is an abomination.
To deviate is to be not conformed. Which is true for the homosexual community. The norm is indeed heterosexual and to be otherwise, would be a deviate from the norm. The word "deviate" is not a bad word. If everyone on my block is driving a Ford pickup and I am driving a Benz, deviating from the norm, I am a deviate. Is that bad? No.
austbounty
Can you find the verse about when the disiples were pushing the children away from Jesus and He "reprimanded" them?
It is this verse that always comes to mind when people misuse the Bible to attack God's children, causing them to feel or attempting to make them feel less worthy.
posted on June 28, 2003 08:46:26 AM new
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. I Timothy 2:11-14.
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. I Corinthians 11:7-10.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28.
Do you think a AIDS research is being done to protect the queers? I can almost guarantee you that if AIDS had not spread to heterosexuals, we would still be years away from even a decent treatment.
Why isn't "doing" a cat relevent? Beastialtity is no less deviant behavior than some guy "doing" some other guy or girl with girl... so in reality people should be allowed to marry their pets, Oh hell lets just let anyone get married to anyone or anything... think what a wonderful world it will really be...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Jun 28, 2003 08:58 AM ]
posted on June 28, 2003 09:03:15 AM new
Oh and what makes you think aids came from gay people? I am shocked to learn that people as ignorant as you actually exsist. I thought humans were suposed to get smarter every hundred years. Your mentality belongs back in medieval times.
posted on June 28, 2003 09:11:53 AM new
Nobody knows where it came from. For all we know the goverment created it to control the population.
You belive that nonsense becouse you want to believe it. Actually I think you really dont believe it but you convince yourself to becouse of how much you hate them
I heard a false prophet the other day on tv, Franklin Graham,
Saying that unlike Christianity the Islam faith is evil because it teaches them to smite the heathens.
Deuteronomy 7:1-4, "When the LORD brings you into the Promised Land, he'll cast out the following seven nations, all greater and mightier than you are: the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. And when the LORD God delivers them to you; you shall smite and utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant nor show mercy to them: Neither shall you intermarry with them nor let your sons and daughter marry their sons and daughters for they will turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, to destroy you suddenly".
12
Oh, yes! and by the way, I assume that if your brother dies you will have sex with his wife to ensure the blood-line or visa-versa??
posted on June 28, 2003 10:00:07 AM new
quote from clarksville...
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austbounty
Can you find the verse about when the disiples were pushing the children away from Jesus and He "reprimanded" them?
It is this verse that always comes to mind when people misuse the Bible to attack God's children, causing them to feel or attempting to make them feel less worthy.
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Matthew 19:13 - Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Matthew 19:14 - But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
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Mark 10:14 - But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
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Luke 18:16 - But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
posted on June 28, 2003 11:35:09 AM new
And here I thought of how progressive Canada was being! Instead of constantly taking away people's freedoms, like some other neighbouring countries, Canada is trying to update it's antiquated laws by giving people back their freedom of choice regarding many issues. How can that not be a good thing?
You're right Cheryl. So many people are wrapped up in everyone else's business, they forget about their own baggage.
Twelve, you are void of compassion. Most others write pretty sensitive, intellegent posts, while you're hell-bent on going against whatever's said, no matter what the subject. I wish you would just try to not be so narrow-minded!!
