You see, the thing is that everyone has differing viewpoints on God. This is why we have different denominations of the Christian faith. Some churches believe in baptisting within three days of birth while others believe in when the child is old enough to understand what sin is.
In each denomination, there are differing viewpoints as well. Some believe in homosexual rights while others don't.
If both basketball teams have God on their side, what does if mean when one loses?
Also, I have heard around that, it doesn't matter if God is on a person's side. What matters is if the person is on God side.
posted on August 5, 2003 12:22:33 PM new
Bravo for the bishop and bravo to you clarksville - that was VERY well said.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could all be PRO people and not judge everyone and everything around us? What a relief it would be if we could all get rid of our hang-ups. They only tie us down, not the people or things we have hang-ups against.
posted on August 5, 2003 08:05:36 PM new
American conservatives and like-minded overseas bishops who represent millions of parishioners have said confirming Robinson would force them to consider breaking away from the church.
Yep everybody is happy a deviant got voted in... NOT!
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on August 5, 2003 08:23:22 PM new
The End Is Near!
I see it Now!
No more cute little choir boys!
While Mom has always dropped little: Rasputin off to practice his catawailing, so she could go home for a couple hours to pop down those Martinis!
Now she is going to have to stay and listen to the:Squalling, because now little Rasputin can no longer be left alone with the pillar of the community!
Won't be long when you go to church you will have to sit in your pew and listen to the: Gay Blade solo!
posted on August 5, 2003 08:47:58 PM new
The gay bashers will all leave the church and become Ecopalians....
The queers having scared the pis out of them
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
posted on August 5, 2003 09:58:51 PM new
you got that right, twelve! Our rector is at the convention this week; and I can tell you he is no happy camper.
I agree with Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh...
"This body has denied the plain teaching of Scripture and the moral consensus of the church throughout the ages," Duncan said.
edited to add quote
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
[ edited by wgm on Aug 5, 2003 10:03 PM ]
posted on August 5, 2003 10:51:47 PM new"This body has denied the plain teaching of Scripture and the moral consensus of the church throughout the ages," Duncan said.
posted on August 6, 2003 05:21:16 AM new
Seperation of Church and State hardly applies here... They have made a Horrendous mistake and will probably see negative fallout for sometime to come.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on August 6, 2003 06:14:16 AM new
So, how do the "good people" of the church try and stop it? By leveling false accusations of sexual misconduct. Come on, priests already have that one covered. Can't you come up with someone a bit more original?
I applaud the Bishop! God does not pick and choose who He loves. He loves all of us despite our faults. Some of you should feel pretty darn grateful for that!
Edited to correct my awful morning grammar.
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Aug 6, 2003 06:16 AM ]
posted on August 6, 2003 06:44:56 AM newGod does not pick and choose who He loves. He loves all of us despite our faults. Some of you should feel pretty darn grateful for that!
Cheryl, can you not post your position without sarcasm to ppl who happen to have a different view from you?
You are entitled to your beliefs, just as I - and every other poster is - am entitled to mine.
And by the way, I am "pretty darn grateful" for God's love - it has sustained me through times just as it has sustained you.
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
Did I name names? Maybe some other posters here should take your advice. I should have said "some" instead of "some of you." Forgive my tongue for slipping. I've read some pretty good sarcasm directed at my comments. I did post my entitled to opinion. So, unless you are guilt free. . .
Cheryl
Power to the people. Power to the people, right on. - John Lennon
posted on August 6, 2003 08:23:36 AM new
Each religion has it own set of beliefs of who - and what - they conceive their God to be, although there is only one God. This set of beliefs gives them the freedom to worship in a manner they choose to - as they interpret scripture.
I don't necessarily agree with the doctrines of other religions, but it is their right to practice in a manner to which they have become accustomed.
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
posted on August 6, 2003 08:23:58 AM new
Let's see...Should we always be kind to wgm, Twelvepole, Clarksville etc.etc.etc. while they post their "opinions???"
posted on August 6, 2003 08:31:37 AM new
yes it would, helen
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
posted on August 6, 2003 10:14:41 AM new
Thank you kraftdinner for your "Bravo" for me but more importantly, I agree with you on the "Bravo" for the Bishop! I also extend the "Bravo" to those who are standing with him, regardless of the consequences.
posted on August 6, 2003 10:29:35 AM new
Episcopal Leaders OK Gay Bishop
By Rachel Zoll, ASSOCIATED PRESS
MINNEAPOLIS (Aug. 5) - The Episcopal Church voted Tuesday to approve the election of its first openly gay bishop, a decision that risks splitting the denomination and shattering ties with its sister churches worldwide.
After a delay caused by allegations that he inappropriately touched another man and was affiliated with a Web site that indirectly linked users to porn, the Episcopal General Convention confirmed the Rev. V. Gene Robinson as bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire.
Robinson had been cleared of the accusations a few hours before the vote was taken. The bishop who investigated said the touching incident ``was in public view and was brief创 and happened at a church meeting where Robinson put his hand on the man磗 back and arm while engaged in a conversation. It was also determined that Robinson had no involvement with the Web site.
``God has once again brought an Easter out of Good Friday,创 Robinson said
after the results were announced.
He acknowledged that many in the church would be upset by the decision. Some convention delegates who opposed him left the meeting in tears. ``That is the only thing that makes this not a completely joyous day for me,创 Robinson said.
Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold said the bishops voted 62-45 to confirm Robinson's election. Two bishops abstained from voting, but their ballots under church rules were counted as ``no创 votes. American conservatives and like-minded overseas bishops who represent millions of parishioners have said confirming Robinson would force them to consider breaking away from the church.
The Episcopal Church, with 2.3 million members, is the U.S. branch of the 77 million-member global Anglican Communion.
After the results were announced, Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh, a conservative who had campaigned against Robinson, stood at the podium in the House of Bishops, surrounded by fellow conservatives, and read a speech saying he and the others were ``filled with sorrow.创
He said the Episcopal Church has ``divided itself from millions of Anglicans throughout the world.创
``This body willfully confirming the election of a person sexually active outside of holy matrimony has departed from the historic faith and order of the Church of Jesus Christ,创 he said.
Duncan called on the bishops of the Anglican Communion and Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, head of the communion, ``to intervene in the pastoral emergency that has overtaken us.创
``May God have mercy on his church,创 Duncan said. Eighteen other bishops
signed his statement.
The American Anglican Council, which represents conservative Episcopalians, planned a meeting in October to decide their next move. The council said it would find a way to ``stay in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury.创
Williams issued a statement saying it was too soon to know what the impact of the vote would be on the church. ``It is my hope that the church in America and the rest of the Anglican Communion will have the opportunity to consider this development before significant and irrevocable decisions are made in response,创 he said.
The church has been debating the role of gays for decades. A win by Robinson was expected to build momentum for other policy changes that would be favorable to homosexuals.
Griswold said he voted for Robinson out of respect for the decision made by the Diocese of New Hampshire, not as an endorsement of homosexuality. It is rare for the General Convention to reject a diocese's choice of bishop.
The denomination has no official rules - either for or against - ordaining gays.
Some Episcopal parishes already allow homosexual clergy to serve and gays who did not reveal their sexual orientation have served as bishops. But Robinson is the first clergyman in the Anglican Communion to live openly as a gay man before he was elected.
In 1998, Anglican leaders approved a resolution calling gay sex ``incompatible with Scripture.创 Bishops who hold that view believe that allowing Robinson to serve would be a tacit endorsement of ordaining homosexuals. Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father of two, has been living with his male partner for 13 years and serving as an assistant to the current New Hampshire bishop, who is retiring.
Parishioners there said they chose Robinson simply because he was the best candidate. Under church rules, a majority of convention delegates had to ratify Robinson's election.
On Sunday, the House of Deputies, a legislative body comprised of clergy and lay people from dioceses nationwide, approved Robinson by a 2-to-1 margin; a committee endorsed him by secret ballot Friday. The House of Bishops vote was the final approval he needed. Robinson will be consecrated in the New Hampshire Diocese in November.
Bishop Gordon Scruton of Western Massachusetts, who investigated the allegations against Robinson, determined Tuesday that there was no need for a full-blown inquiry, allowing the vote on Robinson to proceed.
The claim of inappropriate touching was e-mailed to Vermont Bishop Thomas Ely and other bishops by David Lewis of Manchester, Vt. A family friend said Tuesday that Lewis never intended the allegations to go public.
Scruton said Lewis told him he did not want to file a formal complaint.
The other concern was a pornographic link found on a Web site of Outright, a secular outreach program for gay and bisexual youth.
Robinson helped found the Concord, N.H., chapter of the group, but Scruton said the clergyman ended his association with the organization in 1998 and ``was not aware that the organization has a Web site until this convention.创
If conservatives do decide to break away, it is unclear what that would mean for the Episcopal Church. Some parishes could split from their dioceses and refuse to recognize clergy who support homosexuality, but stop short of a complete separation.
A full schism would trigger, among other things, bitter fights over parish assets and undercut the global influence of the U.S. church.
Liberals note that among the bishops threatening to leave are some who pledged to walk away before over issues such as ordaining women - then did not follow through.
But many Episcopalians believe the debate over homosexuality has been more divisive.
Bishops from Africa, Asia and Latin America, representing more than a third of Anglican Communion members worldwide, took the unprecedented step this year of severing relations with a diocese that authorizes same-sex blessings - the Diocese of New Westminster, based in Vancouver, British Columbia.
Some conservative American parishes had already formed breakaway movements, such as the Anglican Mission in America, which remains within the Anglican Communion but rejects the Episcopal Church.
posted on August 6, 2003 04:19:43 PM new
An actively gay bishop?? The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination to God. The world is going nuts!
There's a local preacher who says that the Church Age is over and that it is now the responsibility of individuals (not the church) to evangelize the world. I'm not sure if I buy it. But with child molester priests, adulterous preachers and actively gay bishops, I'm beginning to wonder if he might be right.
posted on August 6, 2003 06:34:10 PM new
Would you guys stop it with all these judgemental adjectives... abomination, deviant, etc. If your God is telling/teaching you that other ways of life are "wrong", then you're worshiping the wrong God.
The way you act, feel, think, whatever, about gays, is the same way God will act, feel, think, about you, so take your robes off and step down a notch before I barf.
posted on August 6, 2003 06:49:24 PM new
Kraft considering that Homosexuality is against Bible teachings... my GOD will consider me an honorable person....
Deviants have no place except getting mental help.
posted on August 6, 2003 07:15:30 PM new
Where does it say, in the Bible that YOU read, that homosexuality is wrong Twelve? Where does that leave the thousands of homosexual preachers that teach about how "wrong" homosexuality is? Why force people to live in denial? Can you not see how hypocritical it all is? It's a form of hate, and hate breeds hate; denial breeds denial. I wish you'd let go of that way of thinking Twelve...
posted on August 6, 2003 07:28:11 PM new
I don't "hate" the deviants, I pity them, they need our support that they will get the help they need to get back onto the right path.
Homosexual preachers are the hypocrites and in denial. They need help and hopefully they will get it.
Hmosexuality is WRONG WRONG WRONG... they need serious mental help to get them back on the right path.
posted on August 6, 2003 07:41:21 PM new
Thinking homosexuality is an abomination is not hate. It would be considered a normal feeling or frame of mind. Trying to say it's right is not normal.
Yes, it does say in the bible that homosexuality is wrong.
LEVITICUS 18:22 NKJ
22 `You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
LEVITICUS 20:13 NKJ
13 `If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
There's a lot more if your interested.
I don't quote the bible often but in your case I just had to.
It seems the socialists always use the hate word when a normal thinking person doesn't agree.
Remember, We (you, me and everyone) have the right to dislike anyone or thing we want.
That's not hate. Hate is a cancer. It's almost as bad as being stupid but not quite
posted on August 6, 2003 09:39:57 PM new Each religion has it own set of beliefs of who - and what - they conceive their God to be, although there is only one God. This set of beliefs gives them the freedom to worship in a manner they choose to - as they interpret scripture.
This quote aptly belies your prejudice. Who says there is only ONE god? That you, or a billion other people choose to believe it, does not make it so.Many people believe in more than one god. Commandment number 1 in fact, alludes to the existence of other gods, by insisting that no others be placed "before me". It doesn't say you can't believe in them,it doesn't say they don't exist, it just cautions against placing them "before me". In addition, not all religions "interpret scripture". Not all religions even have "scripture".
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
posted on August 6, 2003 09:43:37 PM new
What you are reading is the 500th interpretive version of some "holy" documents. Did God actually say these things? Or could the Bible have been interpreted throughout the ages to fit with what was viewed as right and wrong at the time?
Remember, long ago it was against the law to learn to read because the priests didn't want anyone to know what was really said in the Bible - it was how they controlled their flock. It was also a time when women were called witches and were burned alive for having different beliefs and ideas - this all came from the priests that were the Bible interpreters. Do you not think that in those dark times, that a few things were re-written to fit the belief system? Do you honestly think that all the hatred, blood, guts, damnation, and burning-in-hell scenerios in the Bible are the word of God?
I'm sorry, but this is stuff is so far removed from God it's a joke to me. Sorry.
