TXPROUD
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posted on August 15, 2003 05:44:53 PM new
Whether Republican, Democrat or Independent, I think we all agree the Federal Government should not have the right to interfear with Religious Liberty and States'Rights:
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A monument of the Ten Commandments placed in the rotunda of Alabama's Supreme Court building by Chief Justice Roy Moore, is the front line of the war over the First, Ninth and Tenth Amendment restrictions on the central government by our Constitution's Bill of Rights. Ordered by a federal court to remove the monument by August 20, Justice Moore has been warned by U.S. District and Appellate Courts that his states' rights argument will not be tolerated.
Judge Moore, of course, is rightly defending the original intent of the Founders, who drafted and approved the Bill of Rights, against erroneous interpretation by an activist judiciary, even as he prepares his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. This case is a major test case for states' rights and the so-called church-state "separation clause," and ultimately will determine the fundamental nature of government and the Constitution. To assess the importance of this case, consider this evaluation from 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Ed Carnes, who ruled against Chief Justice Moore: "If Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's Ten Commandments monument were allowed to stand, it would mean a massive revision of how the courts have interpreted the First Amendment for years." Indeed, it would.
Should you decide to support Justice Rou Moore, click on the following link to join in the petition.
http://patriotpetitions.us/openletter/
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Linda_K
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posted on August 15, 2003 06:02:34 PM new
Thanks TXPROUD....I signed it. He's one man who's not willing to give up his position without a good fight. I admire that in a person. And from what I've read elsewhere, the people of his state have, for the most part, been in agreement with him and have supported his stance.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 15, 2003 06:04 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 15, 2003 06:55:48 PM new
Signed!
Thanks TX, was reading about that earlier today and was glad to see it.
Now if he wins... that will be GREAT!
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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profe51
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posted on August 15, 2003 10:15:04 PM new
I signed it too...everybody knows online petitions are a waste of time 
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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gravid
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posted on August 16, 2003 12:27:06 AM new
If what he is saying is that if you come before his court you will be judged on religeous law rather than the law of the land they need to get rid of him too.
I'm wondering if all this means you want to back up far enough that your precious states rights can reinstate slavery? That's what drove the federalization in the first place.
You guys always want the church running the show as long as it is your church. It would amuse me if you got a big dose of what you want but they made the wrong religeon the state religion. Oppsie!
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 16, 2003 05:36:25 AM new
Thanks for providing the PROOF that you are a LIAR profe....
I thought your email was this [email protected]
or was it [email protected]
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 16, 2003 05:46 AM ]
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profe51
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posted on August 16, 2003 05:50:13 AM new
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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Helenjw
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posted on August 16, 2003 05:58:10 AM new
HAHaha!!!
I think I know "neocon_bimbo!"
Good laugh, Profe!!!
...and, gravid, "You guys always want the church running the show as long as it is your church. It would amuse me if you got a big dose of what you want but they made the wrong religion the state religion. Oppsie!"
Yes, it would!
Helen
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davebraun
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:08:10 AM new
I would sign but my rights have been removed.
Recently I had a parking ticket. I decided to take it to court as the meter was broken. I am a practicing Santerian (a form of Voodoo). Just prior to my case being heard I decided to pray. I took my chicken out in the courtroom and disemboweled it on the spot, I then spread its entrails out, doused it with alcohol, tried to light it on fire and was arrested mid prayer before I could fully consecrate it with the fire.
I really want to sign but don't think my vote will be counted now, not to mention that the right to the free expression of my religion was violated.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:13:09 AM new
Try moving to Jamaica, as you may find your religion is more accepted there.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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REAMOND
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posted on August 16, 2003 08:59:13 AM new
davebraun is right. You folks that want your christian religion interjected into our government and public schools, will sooner or later regret it.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:12:15 AM new
Trying to discuss this with non-christians is like wrestling with a pig... you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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profe51
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:20:23 AM new
Too bad the whole country isn't christian, then we wouldn't have these annoying disagreements, right twelve
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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gravid
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:39:42 AM new
Yes indeed. If only the whole country was Christian instead of a mix then you would have harmony and peace just like Europe had for so many years. ( except for a few minor things like The Hundred Years War that Christian brotherhood couldn't smooth over.....)
(Notice/disclaimer -sarcasm for the clueless)
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mlecher
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posted on August 16, 2003 03:32:38 PM new
Trying to discuss this with non-christians is like wrestling with a pig... you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
How about with the REAL truth! Not the lies your religion spouts?
Naah, you are so blind, you will never ever know who God is.
Religious Law and Government Law are to be seperate... As Jesus said:
"Render unto Ceasar, what is Ceasar's. Render unto God, what is God's"
Try wrapping your pea-sized brain around that! God even ORDERED seperation of church and state.
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hibbertst
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posted on August 16, 2003 07:19:11 PM new
Hilarious!!! Casting pearls before swine.
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Helenjw
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posted on August 16, 2003 09:22:47 PM new
'Poles pearls are not 'preciated by the pigs?
LOL!
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Helenjw
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posted on August 17, 2003 06:56:29 AM new
This is Scary
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 07:07:42 AM new
Scary to who?... those of us who believe find this refreshing
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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profe51
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posted on August 17, 2003 07:44:26 AM new
helen: I looked at your link after taking holy communion at a sunrise mass...I didn't find it "refreshing"... it makes me sick to the bottom of my guts to see this happening to our country.
You're right. We've seen here that to take a position against an administration is to be "un-American", it won't be long before not being Christian will also.
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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Helenjw
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posted on August 17, 2003 09:06:19 AM new
Right! We should remember the first 10 words of the Bill of Rights: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
I cringe when I think of the Senate chaplain, asking God to "bless our President, Congress, and all our leaders with supernatural power."
Oh, the horror, to give George Bush supernatural power.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 10:09:16 AM new
Crowd Rallies for Ten Commandments Judge
Sun Aug 17, 8:51 AM ET
By BOB JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer
MONTGOMERY, Ala. - Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore told thousands of supporters that he would be guilty of treason if he didn't fight to keep a monument of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of the state judicial building.
Drawing cheers and shouts of "amen" at a rally Saturday, Moore said his crusade to keep the 5,300-pound monument was not about bolstering his own political career, as some have claimed.
"Let's get this straight. It's about the acknowledgment of God," Moore said in front of the Alabama Capitol.
Buses and vans from as far away as California brought Moore supporters to Montgomery for an enthusiastic rally on a hot and muggy morning. Evangelist Jerry Falwell and former presidential candidate Alan Keyes (news - web sites) were among a half-dozen speakers urging the crowd to take back America from what Keyes described as the "unruly courts."
The rally was organized after U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson in Montgomery ordered Moore to remove the monument from the judicial building by Wednesday. Thompson and a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) have ruled that the monument is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by government.
Police would not estimate the size of the crowd, which appeared to be several thousand people, possibly as many as 10,000.
Falwell said Moore is right to defy Thompson's order if he believes he is obeying God.
"Civil disobedience is the right of all men when we believe breaking man's law is needed to preserve God's law," Falwell said.
Evelyn Bradley of Norwalk, Calif., said she made the trip because "the Ten Commandments is the most precious and most important thing in my life right now."
"No judge has the right to tell us we can't post them," said Bradley, 73.
After the rally hundreds of people walked several blocks to the judicial building, where they lined up to view the monument inside. Some debated with about 35 atheists holding a counterprotest across the street.
"Personally I believe in science and reason and the only way you can have freedom of religion is to have separation of church and state," said Todd Kinley, a research scientist from Huntsville participating in the counterprotest.
.... hmmm 10,000 for it... 35 against...
Guess protesting does work when it is a worthy cause...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Linda_K
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posted on August 17, 2003 10:59:32 AM new
You guys always want the church running the show as long as it is your church.
I can only speak for myself, and your statement isn't true in my case.
What I see is that those opposed to religion have been working to remove our country's traditions....one by one. Small, traditional things like this. No one is being forced to read this piece of stone. Why can't they just avoid looking at it. My understanding is it's 20 feet from the entrance anyway. Just like changing Easter vacation to spring break. Christmas vacation to winter holiday [or whatever they call it now]. No nativity pieces out in public.
This hurts no one. Not being forced to do something is MUCH different to me than not being ALLOWED to.
Unlike the profe I haven't stepped foot in a church for over 35 years. But I firmly support the right to practice one's religion wherever they wish.
Prayers in our government offices are traditional.
I agree, gravid, that cases of law should not be decided according to one religion. But you're never going to remove a persons personal values/religion from them anymore than you're going to remove a non-religious persons hatred of those of faith. It will continue to be a battle between the two.
Liberals ask those who morally oppose issues to be tolerant and accepting. It works both ways.
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profe51
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posted on August 17, 2003 11:05:42 AM new
10,000? Big deal. I remember discussions here before the war began. I seem to recall people screaming that a million protesting the Iraq invasion was a drop in the bucket. I guess if it's a million I don't agree with it's an insignificant number, but 10,000 I agree with is a sea of humanity
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 11:22:52 AM new
When all is said and done and the monument is still there... doesn't matter if it was one person or a million... the right thing will have been done.
Of course now some liberal sheepfker will probably vandalise it.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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profe51
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posted on August 17, 2003 11:48:17 AM new
Of course now some liberal sheepfker will probably vandalise it.
Nice talk, coming from such a god-fearing Christian as yourself.
Oh look, here's a sheepfker now
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 11:56:31 AM new
Pictures of your competition eh Profe... that's nice.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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profe51
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:07:46 PM new
Pictures of your competition eh Profe...that's nice.
See how you are?..tsk tsk, such a dirty mind, and a christian to boot
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:19:41 PM new
I am cathiolic just like you... ever hear of confession?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 17, 2003 12:27:53 PM new
Looking for his sheep... 
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 17, 2003 12:29 PM ]
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