profe51
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posted on September 9, 2003 10:25:01 AM new
Beware, all you file traders. The newest round of RIAA lawsuits includes a 71 year old grandfather and a 12 year old girl
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/116107p-104761c.html
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posted on September 9, 2003 10:33:57 AM new
Does it count if I am greedy and take but do not give? 
But seriously, to hell with the music downloads, I'm surprised that software companies have not jumped in on this one.
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posted on September 9, 2003 02:13:12 PM new
The 12 year old girl is all over the news and presents an interesting problem.
If the RIAA drops the case, all the other people being sued are going to ask "Why can SHE get away with it?"
And if they really do sue her or her mother that's going to do wonders for their PR. Not that their image can get much worse.
But then you have to wonder what's a 12 year old doing on the internet unsupervised? The mother either knew about the music downloads & didn't care or was neglectful. Sounds potentially bad either way there, too.
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posted on September 9, 2003 02:28:52 PM new
Now we can have a war on down-loaders just like a war on drugs.
Why don't all these people who love pure democracy understand that if MILLIONS of people want to do something it's silly to have a law against it?
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Fenix03
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posted on September 9, 2003 02:48:07 PM new
Replay - since all of the suits were filed against the registered account owner - where did the 12 year old get the credit card?
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posted on September 9, 2003 06:49:41 PM new
The RIAA is shooting themselves in the foot. I know the manager at our local coconuts, and the sales are way down. I agree with him that you cant sue your customer base. The kids who download music are the same kids buying the records!
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posted on September 10, 2003 05:24:37 AM new
There's an article on Yahoo News this morning about the 12 year old.
Tue Sep 9, 7:19 PM ET
By TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer
WASHINGTON -
A 12-year-old girl in New York who was among the first to be sued by the record industry for sharing music over the Internet is off the hook after her mother agreed Tuesday to pay $2,000 to settle the lawsuit, apologizing and admitting that her daughter's actions violated U.S. copyright laws.
The hurried settlement involving Brianna LaHara, an honors student, was the first announced one day after the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites) filed 261 such lawsuits across the country. Lawyers for the RIAA said Brianna's mother, Sylvia Torres, contacted them early Tuesday to negotiate.
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posted on September 10, 2003 05:54:51 AM new
Blairwitch, You make a very good point.
In a similar way, the removal of books from the internet could result in diminished interest which will lead, of course, to fewer book purchases.
It's a very interesting problem.
Helen
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profe51
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posted on September 10, 2003 06:16:17 AM new
Right or wrong aside, and whether it's actually affecting CD sales or not, it's really a dumb thing to do these days. I know lots of people, and not just kids, who use p2p programs like Kazaa all the time to DL music. They all seem to think it's no big deal, and how would they ever get caught? These suits are going to continue, when you've got people in the gov't. like Orrin Hatch who think the music producers ought to have the right to send you a worm that will toast your hard drive if you try to steal music. What ever happened to due process?
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Helenjw
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posted on September 10, 2003 06:35:20 AM new
New Parent-to-Child Chat: Do You Download Music?
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posted on September 10, 2003 09:53:52 AM new
The girl's mother also said that after the Napster and Kazaa cases and Kazaa charging her $29 for the software she thought it was legal to use the software as intended.
The music industry is desperate. Technology is eclipsing the traditional notions of intellectual property - in both directions.
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Blairwitch
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posted on September 10, 2003 02:48:00 PM new
The music industry is in big trouble. There are millions of people downloading songs daily, and they cant stop it. I look for them to try cracking down on video traders as well. People think because they trade a video its legal, but its illegal just like making copies to sell.
BTW for everyone who filed a complaint against the record companies our checks are being mailed at the end of the year. 
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profe51
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posted on September 12, 2003 02:31:15 PM new
I wonder how many people who expect refunds out of that suit also have pirated music on their computers?
I'm not moralizing here, I've done it too..just seems a bit hypocritical.
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colin
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posted on September 13, 2003 03:12:12 AM new
When I brought albums in the 50's, 60's and 70's I never remember an agreement not to share said albums or there music.
Is it illegal to have friends listen to your paid for music? Is that sharing?
Times have changed and the laws must too. Unfortunately they are now a mess. The laws are ambiguous at the moment and need some definition. Copyrights were for a certain period years ago. now they can be renewed over and over again.
What bothers me the most is the music companies. They make a ton of money and very little trickles down to the artists, Yet they are the ones that are using the cry of "robbing the artists of their due".
Amen,
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Helenjw
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posted on September 13, 2003 05:52:31 AM new
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posted on September 13, 2003 07:05:32 AM new
It is just the same old story, something good turned into a crime because some people have this need to abuse a good thing.
It is theft pure and simple, aamnesty everyone that has used in the past and now people know there are consequences for this type of behavior.
Now the public needs to make the music companies and movie people justify the cost of cd's and dvd's
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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profe51
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posted on September 13, 2003 03:30:22 PM new
A coalition of P2P companies, NOT including Kazaa, has agreed to pay the kid's fines and costs. She's also getting 2000 bucks worth of free downloads from a legal downloading service...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57424-2003Sep10.html
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Helenjw
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posted on September 13, 2003 03:41:29 PM new
Good!!!
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