posted on November 4, 2003 10:32:03 AM new
.....and this time with good reason, imo. But I do find it very strange that this issue didn't bother her when her husband was in office. NOW she's calling on Bush to do something about it. It didn't just start...maybe her husband should have dealt with it when he was in office. But oh no....that would have offended those voters who would see it as Bill's siding with Israel. Can't have that, but now Bush should do something about it.
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35411
A Senate appropriations committee watched excerpts from Palestinian television illustrating the Palestinian Authority's indoctrination and grooming of children to become suicide bombers, prompting calls for a cessation of aid unless the propaganda stops.
[cessation of aid - Which I'd totally support]
Palestinian TV encourages youth to become "martyrs" Sen. Hillary Clinton said the Palestinian Authority is engaged in "horrific abuse of children," after watching videos provided by Itmar Marcus of Israel-based Palestinian Media Watch.
A video screened by the senators shows ordinary children on state-run Palestinian television expressing support of terrorism and their desire to become "martyrs."
"How can you think about building a better future, no matter what your political views, if you indoctrinate your children to a culture of death?" Clinton told reporters after the hearing Thursday, according to the Jerusalem Post. "We should all agree that children should not be indoctrinated into hatred and violence and then indoctrinated into killing themselves."
The hearings, held by the Labor, Health and Human Services and Education Appropriations Subcommittee, also looked at Palestinian education materials, including textbooks, and considered their effect on the peace process. The committee wants to know whether financial support to the Palestinians was directly or indirectly funding the Palestinian Authority's indoctrination.
Along with interviews with children, other excerpts from Palestinian television show mothers expressing pride after their children blew themselves up.
"It is clear that the Palestinian Authority, as we see on PATV, is complicit" in terrorist attacks, she said. "This is not Hamas [running the television station]. This is the Palestinian Authority."
"These videos are absolutely shocking," Specter said in a statement. "They should be seen by the people of the United States."
[That's a great idea, imo. Might just change a few minds about which side some take in the Israel/Palestinian conflict.]
"I think what we need is something to do hand-to-hand combat with these indoctrination videos," said Specter. "This education process is a threat to future generations."
Preacher on Palestinian TV teaches "martyrdom" Clinton said she has written to President Bush, urging him to demand an end to official Palestinian anti-Semitism and the promotion of terrorism as a pre-condition to resuming Middle East peace talks, according to the Jerusalem paper.
[i]Nothing new
As WorldNetDaily has reported, the PA's efforts to brainwash Palestinian children into becoming willing "martyrs" to destroy the Jews is not new[/i].
A Palestinian psychologist claims more than half of Palestinian children aged 6 to 11 dream of becoming suicide bombers.
[**Dream** of becoming suicide bombers? ]
The Palestinian Education Ministry sponsored a letter-writing contest that rewarded children for embracing violence.
Marcus noted in May 2001, Mohammed al-Dura, the 12-year-old Palestinian youth whose shooting death in Sept. 2000 made him the poster boy of the "intifada," was – courtesy of Palestinian television –speaking to an ever-angrier generation of Arab youths from beyond the grave, beckoning to them from paradise to become terrorists and suicide bombers.
In November 2000, the Mufti of Jerusalem, the city's highest Muslim religious authority, called for the complete "liberation" by Palestinians not only of Jerusalem, but of all of Israel, and stressing "sacrifice" and "martyrdom" of Palestinian children prove that "the new generation will carry on the mission with determination."
[Sure doesn't sound like they have working things out on their minds, to me. ]
WorldNetDaily also reported on a 1998 documentary showing a "Sesame Street"-like children's program called the "Children's Club" – complete with puppet shows, songs, Mickey Mouse and other characters – focused on inculcating intense hatred of Jews and a passion for engaging in and celebrating violence against them in a perpetual "jihad" until the day the Israeli flags come down from above "Palestinian land" and the Palestinian flag is raised.
[ edited by Linda_K on Nov 4, 2003 10:42 AM ]
posted on November 4, 2003 10:37:51 AM newBut I do find it very strange that this issue didn't bother her when her husband was in office. NOW she's calling on Bush to do something about it. It didn't just start...maybe her husband should have dealt with it when he was in office
Linda, you hit the nail on the head. It is just something more for her to #*!@ about with the Bush administration.
"Another plague upon the land, as devastating as the locusts God loosed on the Egyptians, is "Political Correctness.'" --Charlton Heston
And they can't say this is coming from the 'right wingers'. If this were coming from our President, they'd be having a *fit* that he might view the destruction wish of the Palestinians as showing 'favoritism' to Israel.
Here's proof of what they're teaching their children to do in order for Israel to be eliminated completely.
posted on November 4, 2003 01:02:26 PM new
There is the one small fact you overlooked...children weren't being recruited as suicide bombers then. Adults were.
That was then...this is now. Why is it that you guys can never look at what is going on now? I gues it is just so much easier to #*!@ about Clinton then it is to deal with what is happening in the present. Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
Children emulate their elders, the minute the adults started their suicide bombings, the children were being trained (brain washed) into believing in the same tactic.
So like it or not the precedent was set.
"Another plague upon the land, as devastating as the locusts God loosed on the Egyptians, is "Political Correctness.'" --Charlton Heston
[ edited by BEAR1949 on Nov 4, 2003 01:37 PM ]
posted on November 4, 2003 01:43:07 PM new
Ariel Merari, a Tel Aviv University professor of political psychology who has written extensively on terrorism, has found the average age of 34 Palestinian suicide bombers involved in attacks from 1993 to 2000 to be 22.
posted on November 4, 2003 01:54:13 PM new
bunni - [i]There is the one small fact you overlooked...children weren't being recruited as suicide bombers then. Adults were.
That was then...this is now. Why is it that you guys can never look at what is going on now? I gues it is just so much easier to #*!@ about Clinton then it is to deal with what is happening in the present[/i].
Not clear on what you're saying here. This is a recent article, it's a recent request from Hillary. What's not going on now?
posted on November 4, 2003 02:19:35 PM new
Just how low will you neo-cons stoop? Never mind answering, we can see by your obcession to pin everything on anybody not connected with your viewpoint.
How sick is it to use child suicide bombers in Palestine? How sick is it that you use them to try to discredit the Clintons? I guess there is no difference between religeous fanatics at all. It is Hillary who is trying to point this out to the world and all you sick neo-cons try to do is use those children to your own agenda.
posted on November 4, 2003 02:23:59 PM newJust how low will you neo-cons stoop? Never mind answering, we can see by your obcession to pin everything on anybody not connected with your viewpoint.
Not as sick as you refering to anyone that opposes your mindless & Clinton cloned views as neocons
"Another plague upon the land, as devastating as the locusts God loosed on the Egyptians, is "Political Correctness.'" --Charlton Heston
posted on November 4, 2003 03:21:26 PM new
miscreant -
How sick is it that you use them to try to discredit the Clintons? I guess there is no difference between religeous fanatics at all. It is Hillary who is trying to point this out to the world and all you sick neo-cons try to do is use those children to your own agenda.
Who's trying to discredit the Clintons?
Who's the religeious fanatics you're speaking about?
I believe this is at least the third or forth time I've had to ask you to go RE READ my statement. You don't seem to understand what is said.
posted on November 4, 2003 03:31:17 PM newand this time with good reason, imo. But I do find it very strange that this issue didn't bother her when her husband was in office. NOW she's calling on Bush to do something about it. It didn't just start...maybe her husband should have dealt with it when he was in office. But oh no....that would have offended those voters who would see it as Bill's siding with Israel. Can't have that, but now Bush should do something about it.
posted on November 4, 2003 04:01:43 PM new
Sick??? Don't worry I'm not sick. Just calling it like I see it.
This indoctrination has gone on for a very long time in the Middle East. The Saudi's have done it too, for a long time. [not the suicide bombing, but the hatred of jews and infidels.] They have their private schools here in the US where their have been articles speaking to the issue of allowing this hatred to be spread within our own country.
And I stand firm behind my statement that the Clintons could well have dealt with this issue when they were in the WH. This doesn't come as a surprise to anyone.
And the parents of these children have long been indoctrinating their young with the acts of suicide bombings. Don't think while the adults were committing these acts of terrorism, their children didn't notice what their fathers, uncles, brothers, etc. were doing.
And there have been plenty who have posted here they 'feel so sorry for the poor Palestinians, so mistreated by the Israeli's. This is to hopefully open their eyes to what's really going on.
posted on November 4, 2003 04:40:55 PM newJust calling it like I see it. Me too.
And I stand firm behind my statement that the Clintons could well have dealt with this issue when they were in the WH. This doesn't come as a surprise to anyone. And if this was (it wasn't) happening while Clinton was in office, it would have been just as hard for them to prevent it as it will be for Bush as long as the sick religeous radicals find followers. If it isn't the Israelies it will be the Suunis or the Shiites that either radicals will target. They consider each other heretics and will try to exterminate the other if the Israelies bow out of the picture.
posted on November 4, 2003 05:26:14 PM newNot clear on what you're saying here. This is a recent article, it's a recent request from Hillary. What's not going on now?
What's not clear about it? The article you posted speaks of the "grooming of children to become suicide bombers." In other words, children are actually being trained (or groomed) to be suicide bombers. That is now. Children weren't trained to be suicide bombers in the past--adults were. That was then. There is a basic difference between then and now.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on November 4, 2003 05:53:51 PM new
Bunni, the children suicide bomber trainees in Clintons time have now grown up into the present suicide bombers.
Do you think children are born ready to strap explosives to them selves? It takes YEARS of indocturnation & brain washing to convert a child into a suicide bomber.
The same as it takes years to teach a child to speak a understandable language, right from wrong, math, spelling & so forth. Hell look at how long it takes to potty train a toddler, it doesn't happen over night. It is a conditioned reflex reenforced by reward.
"Another plague upon the land, as devastating as the locusts God loosed on the Egyptians, is "Political Correctness.'" --Charlton Heston
posted on November 4, 2003 06:03:22 PM new
There is almost no chance Bush, or anybody else, for that matter can stop the suicide bombers. It is ingrained in their religion that if you die in the defence of Islam you go straight to heaven with 70 virgins. All foreigners would have to leave the area and even then they would turn on all sects and other religions. They now have many different cults of hatred willing to die for Islam.
posted on November 4, 2003 07:23:56 PM newDo you think children are born ready to strap explosives to them selves? It takes YEARS of indocturnation & brain washing to convert a child into a suicide bomber.
Actually, it doesn't. Children are quite ready to risk life and limb, and are easily converted to just about any lifestyle. Witness Hitler's success with the Hitler Youth. Children beginning at age 7 quickly learned brutality, spying, etc. Even ratted out their own parents in the name of the cause.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on November 4, 2003 08:44:15 PM newWitness Hitler's success with the Hitler Youth. Children beginning at age 7 quickly learned brutality, spying, etc. Even ratted out their own parents in the name of the cause.
They weren't born that way. They still had to be indoctrinated by Hitler & his hench men. They were also promised rewards of food. It became a conditioned response. A child of 7 left on his/her own is NOT about to take up a cause furthered by their elders without prompting. All they are concerned with is playing & when it it time to eat.
They are still babes in the woods until trained elsewise.
"Another plague upon the land, as devastating as the locusts God loosed on the Egyptians, is "Political Correctness.'" --Charlton Heston
posted on November 4, 2003 09:09:25 PM new
The Hilter youth were trained away from their parents so just think of how much easier it is when the parents are hate driven religeous fanatics that encourage their children to become terrorists.
posted on November 4, 2003 09:34:12 PM new
Food had nothing to do with it. The children were recruited easily for the most part. It was "the thing to do."
"Far from being forced to enter the ranks of the Jungvolk, I could barely contain my impatience and was, in fact, accepted before I was quite 10. It seemed like an exciting life, free from parental supervision, filled with "duties" that seemed sheer pleasure. Precision marching was something one could endure for hiking, camping, war games in the field, and a constant emphasis on sports. . . To a degree, our pre-war activities resembled those of the Boy Scouts, with much more emphasis on discipline and political indoctrination. There were the paraphernalia and the symbols, the pomp and the mysticism, very close in feeling to religious rituals. One of the first significant demands was the so-called Mutprobe: "test of courage," which was usually administered after a six-month period of probation. The members of my Schar, a platoon-like unit of about 40-50 boys, were required to dive off the three-meter board-about 10 feet high-head first in the town’s swimming pool. There were some stinging belly flops, but the pain was worth it when our Fahnleinfuhrer, the 15-year-old leader of our Fahnlein (literally "little flag", a company-like unit of about 160 boys, handed us the coveted dagger with its inscription Blood and Honor. From that moment on we were fully accepted."
http://www.youth.net/memories/hypermail/0554.html
In trying to capture the minds, hearts and souls of young children, the Nazis at first
offered many incentives. Things that would fascinate and attract children, such as uniforms, knives, drums and bugles and much more. The next step was peer pressure.
Telling them "your friends are members, why aren't you?", " You can't belong to our
social group and have fun like we do, if you are not a member", "You have to sit at the back of the class or isolated in school somewhere if you are not a member". etc. etc. Later, far different motivations and persuasions were used, and the Hitler
Youth soon were no longer real children, but more or less belonged to the State. It was not that unusual for kids to turn their own parents in to authorities if they caught them doing something not approved by
the State. Many parents were severely punished and some sent to concentration camps and then death because their own children had turned them in to authorities."
http://militaryhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa111599.htm?terms=hitler
Imagine for a moment what you were doing when you were eight years old -- going to birthday parties, collecting rocks, eating ice cream cones. These are all normal things that normal youngsters do. But not the Hitler Youth. In the six years that followed Germany's invasion of Poland, manpower became scarce and Hitler sucked into his armies children as young as eight years of age. Normal little boys and girls with rosy cheeks and starry eyes became the Nazi's most ferocious killers. Worse yet, the patriotic idealism of the Youth that made them so ferocious led to their virtual extinction.
How did this happen? For one, kids are impressionable. And the Hitler Youth had been raised by fanatics; their role models and heroes were all Nazis. A consistent message was sent to these young people: "you serve your Fatherland and you die for it." Another impetus was Roosevelt's demand for unconditional surrender of the Germans. This probably frightened the Hitler Youth, so they were not intimidated by the prospect of going to war. The recruits were eager to join; they volunteered!
In the beginning, older boys did the deadlier work like shooting artillery, while younger ones performed duties such as running messages back and forth. Later on, as the tables turned and the Germans began losing the War, "everyone fought" -- even little girls. But these weren't your typical soldiers:
The shocking fanaticism and reckless bravery of the Hitler Youth in battle astounded the British and Canadians who fought them. They sprang like wolves against tanks. If they were encircled or outnumbered, they fought-on until there were no survivors. Young boys, years away from their first shave, had to be shot dead by Allied soldiers, old enough in some cases, to be their fathers.1
The Hitler Youth were to become the vanguard of German forces in Normandy. The 12th SS-Panzer Division was born out of Hitler's urgent need for troops. Ten thousand kids were recruited between February and August of 1943. By the Spring of 1944, the young division was ready to fight -- just in time for the Allied invasion of Normandy a few months later.
Their most stunning (and devastating) achievement was the defense of Falais Gap -- the narrow funnel that allowed the shattered Germans troops to retreat from Normandy. Without their stubborn defense of the "gates" of the pocket, the German forces would have likely been trapped in Falais. But the Youth paid a terrible price -- less than 1,000 of the original 10,000 walked out of Normandy alive.
The Youth had been told to retreat, but they wouldn't. In a perverse moment, they actually drew straws to see who would be forced to leave. These children were more pure and idealistic than grown men, a likely result of being impressionable and lacking real life experiences. Their one-dimensional education was gleaned from the Nazis who ruled during their short lifetimes.
When the Youth were forced to surrender, they came unglued. If you look at the pictures of the kids going in, they were bright-eyed and aggressive. Coming out, they were wrecks -- crying, screaming, standing with their arms and heads down. Some were shaking so hard they couldn't even stand. They were devastated. In a few months, over 9,000 of their little buddies were gone. Everything was over and everything they were ever told was not going to happen. The patriotic idealism of the Hitler Youth was crushed as they realized World War II was no game of Cowboys and Indians.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on November 5, 2003 11:05:38 AM new
The exception to that bear is it seems impossible to get the right to think.
Republican, the other white meat!
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