.No apparent weapons,
.‘structure’ on left looks like a farm tractor pulling a plough.
.Person to left appears to be holding a piece of fabric.
.Wounded person is hit again.
For those of you interested in physics, the following site, breaks it down.
http://www.eyehit.com/images/A10/
Apache's M230 automatic gun ammunition. We have each round weighing 350 grams and traveling at 800 meters per second.
KE = ½mass x velocity2
KE = (.3505kg / 2) x (800 m/s x 800 m/s)
KE = .175 x 640,000
KE = 112,160 joules
OR
180 times the energy of the .45 caliber handgun bullet.
So imagine 180 people all pointing guns at this guy's body and everyone pulling the trigger all at the same time.
posted on January 26, 2004 08:41:48 PM newPiece of fabricmy ARSE or should I say my AUSTI.
These Apache pilots are trained to distinguish between tools & weapons.
They identified the so called unarmed Iraqi's item as a RPG capable of destroying the Apache. They followed procedure & requested permission to fire & removed the threat. Perfect instance of a surgical strike that saved American lives.
"If you believe you can tell me what to think, I believe I can tell you where to go. Not all of us are sheep....."
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jan 26, 2004 08:43 PM ]
posted on January 26, 2004 11:11:27 PM new
That's incredible and sobering footage. But they didn't look like innocent civilians to me. They showed absolutely no fear at all after the first burst of cannon fire which fell short. If an Apache is hovering nearby and a 30 mm cannon is shot in your direction, you will definitely know it and innocent civilians would would not act like these Iraqis did. Scratch 3 bad guys.
And I'd like to know the rest of the story. What were these "farmers" doing out there at night? Planting crops? Was there a curfew? Was this in the Sunni Triangle? Was there an ambush or roadside bomb nearby?
And if they actually were innocent Iraqis (which I highly doubt) you can blame the insurgents who dress like civilians and hide among civilians. The pilots are just doing their job which is a very dirty job. War is hell.
[ edited by ebayauctionguy on Jan 26, 2004 11:16 PM ]
posted on January 27, 2004 01:20:13 AM new
I’m only asking if there is any doubt, that’s all, but so long as you are certain eag.
So there they are,
dressed like civilian dressed insurgents,
up before the crack of dawn,
tinkering around a truck and a tractor,
not even panicking…....guilty!
posted on January 27, 2004 09:29:32 AM new
Austi, the video you have linked to, is the anti-American edited version. The WHOLE video clip can be found at the following.
"If you believe you can tell me what to think, I believe I can tell you where to go. Not all of us are sheep....."
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jan 27, 2004 09:38 AM ]
posted on January 27, 2004 09:43:49 AM new
The video opens with the helicopter tracking a man in a pickup truck north of Baghdad early evening on Dec. 1, one day after the 4th Infantry Division engaged in the bloodiest battles with Iraqi insurgents since the end of major combat.
The pilots watch as the man pulls over and gets out to talk to another man waiting by a larger truck.
"Uh, big truck over here," one of the pilots is heard saying. "He's having a little powwow."
The pickup driver looks around, then reaches into his vehicle, takes out a tube-shaped object that appears to be about 4 or 5 feet long, and runs away from the road into a field. He drops the object in the field and heads back to the trucks.
"I got a guy running throwing a weapon," one of the pilots says. Retired Gen. Jack Keane, an ABCNEWS consultant who viewed the tape, said the object looked like a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, "or something larger than a rifle."
The pilots check in with their operational commander, who is monitoring the situation. When they tell him they are sure the man was carrying a weapon, he tells them: "Engage. Smoke him."
The pilots wait as a tractor arrives on the scene, near the spot where the pickup driver dropped the object. One of the Iraqis approaches the tractor driver.
Then, within minutes, the Apache pilots open fire with the heavy 30 mm cannon, killing first the Iraqi in the field, then the tractor driver. The pilots then fire at the large truck and wait to see if they hit the last of three men.
When he rolls out from under the truck, one of the pilots says, "He's wounded."
The other pilot says, "Hit him," and the Apache opens fire again, killing the man.
The Apache fires nearly 100 30 mm cannon rounds in all.
Source: ABC News
"If you believe you can tell me what to think, I believe I can tell you where to go. Not all of us are sheep....."
posted on January 27, 2004 11:32:33 AM new
Thanks Bear... figured we were getting the anti-american version from the leading anti-american on these boards
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on January 27, 2004 12:54:42 PM new
Just watche the video Bear linked to. What they had may have been a weapon is some kind of case (could see draw strings flapping). However, they threw whatever it was into the field. When the tractor driver was shot, he was walking unarmed over to the truck. The second man was shot while nexttothe trailer. The third man was shot after he'd been wounded and was rolling about on the ground. None of them made a single threatening move.
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Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on January 27, 2004 03:47:24 PM new
How much safer if they had just depopulated the whole country. A few ground burst nukes in the western desert and let it drift over. In fact if you ground burst a few in Syria that would have worked well and served two purposes. If it went a little to far into Iran would they really care? - Nah.
The thing flapping around when the guy goes back to the tractor - It looks like he whipped off his head scarf to me.
posted on January 27, 2004 05:16:49 PM new
12 & bear, you and your type demanded war in Iraq and insisted the evidence of WOMD was there, while others said;
‘hang on, where’s the proof’.
In this case, you insist there is justification, but I still see no proof.
The truth is that you would not only rather see “10,000 Iraqi's die than 1 American” but that you are not even concerned with justice, or actual risk to Americans, just as you are not willing to consider the possibility of any American being guilty of violating the Geneva convention.
The assistance given to Alqaida in harming Americans on Sept 11th can be best, at least in part, attributed to American funding and training; but you ignore this too.
How can one be capable of judging truth or justice if having predetermined who is good and evil.
Ask Henry Kissinger?
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer”
posted on January 27, 2004 06:50:29 PM new
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States Against Anything Un-American, and to the Republicans for which it stands, two nations, under Jesus, rich against poor, with curtailed liberty and justice for all
Except blacks, homosexuals, women who want abortions, Communists, welfare queens, tree-huggers, femi-nazis, illegal immigrants, children of illegal immigrants, and you if you don't watch your step.
posted on January 28, 2004 04:37:42 AM new
You know austbounty, when you actually live here, you might be more than joke...
However we all know that all you can do is mouth anti-american sentiments and always overlook the fact that Australia is one of our biggest allies.... now that is a hoot... what's the matter afraid to takle the home front so you have to try your pitiful act here?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on January 28, 2004 09:47:27 AM new
i saw that video long ago and didn't have any background info on it..
but yeah its not pretty, and I dont like the fact that you'll have to kill someone even though they're down and wounded already..
but its not sensible in a war, and it is a war, albeit its uneven and sometimes seems silly and pointless...
you dont stop shooting just because someone is down, you stop when they surrender (granted if they get a chance to)... what happens if they stop shooting, and they get up, gets an RPG (rocket propelled grenade) and blows away that apache.
eh, are they really farmers or soldiers. I dont really know.
its not pretty guys. whether they are farmers or soldiers.
