posted on March 6, 2004 10:14:47 AM new
After a briefing on the coup in Haiti, U.S. Representative Corrine Brown (Democrat from Florida) said President Bush's policy for the country was "racist" and engineered by "a bunch of white men." That didn't sit well with the president's man she was berating, Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega. "As a Mexican-American, I deeply resent being called a racist and branded a white man," he told her, but promised that he would "relay that to [Secretary of State] Colin Powell and [national security adviser] Condoleezza Rice the next time I run into them." Brown, who is black, said she was "absolutely not" apologetic for calling Noriega white, telling him "you all look alike to me." (Jacksonville, Fla., Times-Union) ...Racism: an appalling slur on humanity, unless committed by a black Democratic politician.
"An old, long-whiskered man once said to Teddy Roosevelt: 'I am a Democrat, my father was a Democrat, my grandfather was a Democrat.' Roosevelt then said: 'Then if your father had been a horse thief and your grandfather had been a horse thief, you would be a horse thief?'" --Will Rogers
posted on March 6, 2004 11:21:13 AM new
Shows her for the racist she is herself. Another one who can't look into the mirror and see what a hyprocrite she is.
But this is kinda funny:
"As a Mexican-American, I deeply resent being called a racist and branded a white man," he told her, but promised that he would "relay that to [Secretary of State] Colin Powell and [national security adviser] Condoleezza Rice the next time I run into them."
posted on March 6, 2004 12:54:44 PM new
Could some please explain to me what her political affilition has to do with her obviously racist status or is Bear just exaggerating things as is his habirt whenever he can denegrate something he disagrees with?
It does not matter what political party she hails from, her statement was rude, racist and reprehensible. I doubt you are going to see anyone coming to her defense anytime soon. Not only that but she is a complete idiot if she thinks she is going to get re-elected in florida after that statement.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 6, 2004 02:16:05 PM new
fenix - When quoting most politican's statements their party is almost always listed if their names might not be well known to the readers. Sometimes it only shows as (D) or (R) or (I).
All pols are noted by their political affiliation.
"An old, long-whiskered man once said to Teddy Roosevelt: 'I am a Democrat, my father was a Democrat, my grandfather was a Democrat.' Roosevelt then said: 'Then if your father had been a horse thief and your grandfather had been a horse thief, you would be a horse thief?'" --Will Rogers
posted on March 6, 2004 06:49:32 PM new
Linda - I hope you were just playing dense there. I was not referring to that h- I was referring to Bears obviously biased and inflamatory title to this thread which makes the broad sweeping assumption that just because this woman is a black democrat people would not find her statement racist.
Bear - Try not to play dense - you know damn well what I was referring to.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 6, 2004 07:05:32 PM new
Democrats do get a free pass when it comes to racism. Like the time when our lt. governor, Cruz Bustamonte, actually said the word "n!gger" in a speech a couple years ago. If he happened to be a republican, all hell would've broke loose.
posted on March 6, 2004 08:13:25 PM new
Fenix in response to your asinine comment obviously biased and inflamatory title
what is so inflammatory between my opening title Racism isn\'t Racism when committed by Black Demo & the quote from the article {i]Racism: an appalling slur on humanity, unless committed by a black Democratic politician.[/i]
Both say the same thing in ALMOST identical words.
BTY The correct spelling of inflamatory is INFLAMMATORY
As to being "dense", that's a characteristic common to demo's (like you) that are described in your tag line.
The Democrats ran on 'Honesty' and I told 'em at the time they would never get anywhere. It was too radical for politics. The Republicans ran on 'Common Sense' and the returns showed that there were 8 million more people in the United States who had 'Common Sense' enough not to believe that there was 'Honesty' in politics." --Will Rogers
posted on March 6, 2004 09:12:08 PM new
Because you seem to be the only person who has taken that stance Bear. I don't see a single quote from any democrat in your article defending the statement. Therefor you statement was made with no justication other than your close minded biase and assumption. Unless you can provide us with quotes from other Democrats that defend her stance or statement , your title stands as inflammatory, biased, and unsubstantiated
The only arguement you seem to have been able to put forward as of yet is against my typing.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 6, 2004 10:19:07 PM new
Who is US. Apparently reading comprehension is beyond you scope of understanding. Move your little mouse pointer back over to the original url & click on it. If you manage to accomplish that, reread the article. The comments about her inappropriate tirade were made by the reporter of the article.
So why are you defending her. You must agree with her racist opinion.
If a white Republican had said the same thing don't you think the SHI@ would have hit the fan.
So far she is only getting away with it because she is BLACK.
The comments quoted in the article are her DIRECT racist & bigoted comments.
Because you didn't see comments made by other demo's lends credit to the idea they didn't want to be seen associating with her idiotic comments.
A editorial comment from th4e same newspaper:
Rep. Corrine Brown's outburst
Re "Rep. Brown rips official," article, Feb. 26:
I am outraged at the comments made by U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown during the meeting Feb. 25 with State Department officials. Her statement that President Bush's Haitian policy is racist is revealing. While I understand she may have deep feelings about Haiti, I refuse to believe that emotion alone is responsible for her reprehensible comments about the president's representatives being a "bunch of white men." I am sure this is news to Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. In addition, Rep. Brown went further and told Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega, a Mexican-American, that "you all look alike to me."
These remarks as well as the yelling and innuendo which accompanied them reveal what Rep. Brown truly feels in her heart: a racist attitude toward white people. Her comments were distasteful, classless and terribly offensive.
The spin from her spokesperson, David Simon, was, " 'I think it was an emotional response of her frustration with the administration.' " If we accept this explanation, then we may extrapolate that it will be acceptable for others confronting frustration with this or any other administration to express themselves in much the same way. Of course it is not.
I am deeply offended and disappointed in Rep. Brown for not having the self-control to keep her evidently deep-seated beliefs to herself. I dare say that if U.S. Rep. John Mica or any other white representative (and now, I suppose, any other ethnic group since "they all look alike" in office had made similar remarks, it would not have been buried in four small paragraphs on Page 10A of The Daytona Beach News-Journal. Rather, I believe it would have been a front page story.
I feel that Rep. Brown should be censured for these remarks and that all pertinent information about this incident be released for further investigation.
Bonilla: Muted Reaction to Brown Shows Double Standard
MIAMI House Rep. Henry Bonilla, a founding member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (search), has taken back his demand that Rep. Corrine Brown (search) resign her seat in Congress for remarks she made accusing the Bush administration of racism in its Haiti policy.
But even after Bonilla accepted Brown's apology, he said the fact that her comments raised few hackles demonstrates a double standard among Democratic Party members.
"If a Republican had made such derogatory, insulting and discriminatory remarks there would be a firestorm of outrage. The current silence is deafening," Bonilla, R-Texas, said. "If we truly advocate zero tolerance for racism, then we must insist the statement be addressed."
Brown, D-Fla., issued an apology on Thursday for remarks she made a day earlier when she said Hispanics and whites "all look alike to me."
Brown made the statement during a Wednesday briefing on Haiti with Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega (search), a Mexican-American, and the Florida congressional delegation. During the meeting, attended by about 30 people, Brown sat across the table from Noriega and launched an attack on President Bush's policy on Haiti (search).
She said Republican leaders were "racist" in their policies toward the Caribbean nation, which is almost entirely black, and called the president's representatives "a bunch of white men."
"I sincerely did not mean to offend Secretary Noriega or anyone in the room. Rather, my comments, as they relate to 'white men,' were aimed at the policies of the Bush administration as they pertain to Haiti, which I do consider to be racist," Brown said in a statement on Thursday.
Brown added that she was offended that the meeting on the crisis in Haiti, led by administration officials, "turned into a diatribe rebuking the Haitian government and the Haitian people. I was personally insulted by the anti-Haiti sentiment brought to the table by the State Department and by Republican members of Congress in attendance," she said.
Brown also wrote a letter to Noriega, in which she apologized again "if what I said was construed as a personal affront."
"The State Department delegation that came to meet with us did not include any females or people of color. Given the racial makeup of the people of Haiti, who are 95 percent of African descent, I felt the delegation and the delegation's position were callous and out of touch with the needs (cultural and otherwise) of the Haitian people," she wrote.
After the dressing down, which sent a hush over the hour-long meeting, Noriega responded that he would relay her comments to Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (search), both high-level African-American members of the Bush administration. Rice is also female.
Participants in the meeting said Noriega later told Brown: "As a Mexican-American, I deeply resent being called a racist and branded a white man."
Noriega also pointed to Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (search), a Republican member of the delegation who was born in Cuba, and asked whether he appeared to be a white man. Diaz-Balart's brother, Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (search), is also a congressional member from the state.
Brown's response, according to witnesses, was: "You all look alike to me."
U.S. Rep. Mark Foley (search), a Florida Republican who organized the meeting, called the comments "disappointing."
"To sit there and browbeat this man who is a Mexican-American and call him names, it was inappropriate," Foley said.
On Friday, Florida Sen. Bob Graham refused to comment on Brown's remarks, saying he didn't know enough about them. But Graham did reject Brown's description of U.S. Haiti policy.
"I do not believe the administration's policies are racist. I think they are without vision," he said.
As Brown criticized the political response to Haiti, which she said amounted to the detention of Haitian migrants fleeing their country and the freezing of millions of dollars in aid over flawed 2000 legislative elections in the impoverished nation, others said Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide (search) had created the crisis on his own and should step down.
"Haitians need true, decent, democratic leadership elected fairly and freely by the people. Not surprisingly, they have finally said enough is enough," said House Intelligence Committee chairman Porter Goss, R-Fla.
In an apparent switch in the U.S. stance on Aristide, Powell said late Thursday that the Haitian president should "make a careful examination of how best to serve the Haitian people" and should consider "whether or not he'll continue this presidency."
Powell said that the United States has not yet decided what assistance it might provide to an international force that would support a "transitional government or a political settlement."
It is the first time the secretary has mentioned publicly any alternative to Aristide's settling the issue politically with his opposition. President Bush said on Friday that he agreed with Powell's comments.
"We're interested in achieving a political settlement," he said, adding that the United States is engaged in planning with other nations for a multinational force to help insure stability and deliver aid, once a political settlement is reached.
In a statement Wednesday, Brown tried to draw a parallel between the administration's response to Haiti and the 2000 election in Florida.
"It simply mystifies me how President Bush, a president who was selected by the Supreme Court under more than questionable circumstances in my district alone 27,000 votes were thrown out is telling another country that their elections were not fair and that they are therefore undeserving of aid or international recognition," Brown said.
Aside from the Florida delegation, several other Congress members and officials attended Wednesday's meeting with Noriega. U.S. Reps. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., and Maxine Waters, D-Calif.; John Maisto, U.S. Ambassador to the Organization of American States (search), and Adolfo Franco, an assistant administrator with the U.S. Agency for International Development (search), all were in attendance.
"I am embarrassed by the unvarnished racism of such highly visible black politicians as U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.), who lambasted Bush administration officials as a "bunch of white men." When Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega protested that he is Mexican-American, Brown responded, "You all look alike to me."
If Trent Lott or any Republican official had uttered such a slur, the story would be leading every newscast and on every front page. Brown initially refused to apologize when asked about her comment, then did so a day later. If this story sounds new to you, blame the supposed mainstream news media. It has virtually ignored this racist outrage. I had to go to the conservative Web site newsmax.com to find out about it.
After disparaging Bush policy on Haiti as "racist" and run by "a bunch of White men," U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown, D-Fla., told an administration official (a Mexican-American) who complained about her comments: "You all look alike to me." Isn't it time that people with "D" after their names stop getting free passes for race-baiting?
So in short fenix, crawl back under you black demo racist defending rock & pick a better battle to try and defend Brown's racist attitudes.
The Democrats ran on 'Honesty' and I told 'em at the time they would never get anywhere. It was too radical for politics. The Republicans ran on 'Common Sense' and the returns showed that there were 8 million more people in the United States who had 'Common Sense' enough not to believe that there was 'Honesty' in politics." --Will Rogers
posted on March 6, 2004 11:55:11 PM new
::Move your little mouse pointer back over to the original url & click
I already did you condesceding jerk and I'll be damned if I can find a single quote from anyone defending her or her statement.
::So why are you defending her. You must agree with her racist opinion.::
Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension skills a little more before preaching to others. I did not defend her or her comments in fact if you read me first quote again I state in very plain and undisquised english that her comments were undoubedly racist. In fact, looking back I see that I also called it rude and reprehensible. What I have taken issue with is you unsubstantiated and Yes, still inflammatory title implying that it would not be considered so simple because she is a democrat.
::Because you didn't see comments made by other demo's lends credit to the idea they didn't want to be seen associating with her idiotic comments. ::
Which substantiates my point that her statements are not being excused simply because she is black or a democratic, or a combination of the two.
::So in short fenix, crawl back under you black demo racist defending rock & pick a better battle to try and defend Brown's racist attitudes::
I would appreciate if you could show me a single instance where I defended her. Just one. Come on Bear - this is an easy one - I mean there are only thee posts it shouldn't be that hard; Was it the rude, racist and reprehensible comment or perhaps the one where I said she would be a complete idiot if she felt she had any chance of re-election?
Personally I think she should be called to the carpet for it. Not only were her initial comments unforgivable, her appolgy strikes me as an insinscere formality. Where is Fox on this one? Shouldn't they be all over it making as much noise as possible?
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 7, 2004 01:47:11 AM new
I agree with what EAG said - "Democrats do get a free pass when it comes to racism."
That's exactly how I took bears thread too, fenix. Just pointing out how different the reaction/consequence is when a democrat makes a statement like this woman made than when a racist remark is made by a republican.
I'm sure you notice that you're only one of two who's posted you *also* see it as a racist statement. Be honest....other posters here have been called a racist and haven't come close to this woman's statements. But you don't see all those same people coming forward to point out this WAS a racist statement, do you.
No, and you won't...BECAUSE it was a democrat that said it. Had it been a repubican....it would have been a whole different ball game, both here and in the media, imo. Remember the Lott thread? Case in point.
posted on March 7, 2004 03:52:48 AM new
This person needs to resign her position immediately!
There is no excuse for that outbusrst from anyone one... Trent Lott got persecuted for what he said at a Birthday Party! Not even an official function. How is it that his words are worse than hers?
posted on March 7, 2004 07:57:59 AM new
Phenix, you are SUCH an easy target.....give it up. None of your attempted arguements are impressing anyone.
I stand by my lead in title. Rules for Black Demo's are not enforced as they are for ALL others.
She was wrong, she knows it & is still a racist..
The Democrats ran on 'Honesty' and I told 'em at the time they would never get anywhere. It was too radical for politics. The Republicans ran on 'Common Sense' and the returns showed that there were 8 million more people in the United States who had 'Common Sense' enough not to believe that there was 'Honesty' in politics." --Will Rogers
posted on March 7, 2004 12:18:13 PM new
Bear - as long as we are harping on spelling - it's Fenix with a F not a Ph.
Now stand up for once and be man and stop hiding behind games, you know damn well you were out of line. Show that you have that honor you demand of everyone else and admit it.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 7, 2004 12:20:56 PM new
Linda - I have to admit I am a bit surprised that no one else has stepped up on this one. Out of curiosity do you know how I can pull up the Trent Lott threads? I'm just curious how many of the republicans spoke out at that time and I don't have the old thread search page bookmarked.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 7, 2004 01:28:23 PM new
LindaK
you don't see all those same people coming forward to point out this WAS a racist statement
Just for the record ..this was a racist statement; but at least she didn't demand the right to lynch people.
Thurmond Kicks Bucket: Sad Day For KKK
But the neo right come forward, not criticising , but demanding respect & wanting memorials built for this guy.
Scroll down almost to the bottom, on the left hand side and BE SURE to check the little box under it.
-------
On the you're surprised. I'm not. There are only a hand full of moderate's here, imo. You, gravid, bunni and possibly tria that I see as leaning one way...but who can still be/are objective on some of the issues, even though not supporting this President. Just HAD to say that.
posted on March 7, 2004 02:09:51 PM new
Thank you Linda. After reading the Lott thread I noticed that Bear never once called Lott to the mat and the only thing I saw you say on the topic was that you thought it funny that people who supported free speech were speaking out against the statement. In other words, It seems to be very rare that anyone here speaks out against atupidy in their party. When did we decide that the lessor of two evils was good enough and to stop seeking and demanding better?
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on March 7, 2004 02:34:56 PM new
fenix - LOL....so you asked for the link to use it against me huh?
But what you're not mentioning is that all those who posted against Lott's statement, and the one austbounty as posted, aren't posting on this one. Noticing that there is lack of balance when one side does it and not the other.
AND I think you'll have to admit....Lott's statements DID get much more **media** attention that this, or many other statements like this [coming from a democrat] did. Lott lost his job over it. Most democrats are excused for some reason.
And without reading which thread you pulled up, [I do believe there were more than one on the subject, at that time], I can only say that I responded the way I did because I feel all people should be able to say how they feel about anything. People will make their own judgements about how they feel about what was said. [eliminate all the PC monitors, if you will....for both sides].
But that's not the point of this thread. The point is to show how the consequences are different when a dem does something, than when a rep does it.
posted on March 7, 2004 03:12:33 PM new
Linda - LOL - No - did not ask to use it against you, I wanted to see if the same trend that has been true in this thread ( liberal posters refraining from making comment) was also true when the perpetrator of stupidity was a conservative. It's true. There are no conservatives in that thread calling Lott to the mat for his statement.
::But what you're not mentioning is that all those who posted against Lott's statement, and the one austbounty as posted, aren't posting on this one ::
I didn't think I needed to state it again, I had already said in a previous post that I was surprised that no one else had stepped up on this thread.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by Fenix03 on Mar 7, 2004 03:13 PM ]
posted on March 7, 2004 03:20:30 PM new
I, for one, didn't step up because of the slant of the title & thread. If Bear had made it a discussion of the woman & what she said, I would have joined in. Instead, hepurposely slanted his post to highlight the fact that she is Democrat, as if *that* was the highlight of the story.
I am neither Democrat nor Republican, so holding off on commenting had nothing to do with my political affiliation. I'm sure others felt the same way.
******
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on March 7, 2004 04:09:25 PM new
I think that Bear's attempt to link party affiliation with racism is ludicrous. That's why I paid no attention to the thread this morning when I first read it. A racist is a racist regardless of party affiliation.
posted on March 7, 2004 07:31:35 PM new
The facts still speaks for themselves. She is Black. She is a Demo. She is a Racist. And she is not being held to the same standard as anyone else would be if they made the same statement.
So in fact my opening title is absolutely correct, isn't an exageration or inflamitory.
Racism isn't racism when committed by a black demo and is supported by the author of the article who stated "Racism: an appalling slur on humanity, unless committed by a black Democratic politician."
But apparently that statement is too difficult from some of you to understand?
The Democrats ran on 'Honesty' and I told 'em at the time they would never get anywhere. It was too radical for politics. The Republicans ran on 'Common Sense' and the returns showed that there were 8 million more people in the United States who had 'Common Sense' enough not to believe that there was 'Honesty' in politics." --Will Rogers
posted on March 8, 2004 06:17:19 AM new "I sure didn't think it was. And I think the lack of attention it got proves just that."
linda,
Lack of attention or a superabundance of attention proves nothing.
Suppose I started a thread stating that my neighbor was a Muslim and he was building something in his garage that I suspected was a dirty bomb.
If no one paid any attention to my allegation would that be proof that he was in fact building a dirty bomb?
On the other hand if everyone was attentive would that prove that he was building a dirty bomb?
Bear's attempt was to slime democrats with one single incident inferring racism made by a representative unknown to most of us. The truth is that there are some Democrats who are racists and some Republicans who are racists. Some are black and some are white and as you call it, "shades" in between.
in office had made similar remarks, it would not have been buried in four small paragraphs on Page 10A of The Daytona Beach News-Journal. Rather, I believe it would have been a front page story.
