posted on March 6, 2004 07:01:55 PM new
Some 9-11 Kin Send Letter Backing Bush Ad
Mar 6, 3:53 PM (ET)
NEW YORK (AP) - More than a dozen families who lost relatives in the Sept. 11 attacks released a letter Saturday declaring their support for President Bush and his use of images of the destroyed World Trade Center in campaign ads.
"There is no better testament to the leadership of President Bush than Sept. 11," the letter states. "In choosing our next leader we must not forget that day if we are to have a meaningful conversation."
The "Open Letter to America," signed by 22 people who lost loved ones in the trade center, comes as other victims' families asked that the ads be pulled from the airwaves. The spots also show firefighters carrying a flag-draped stretcher.
"In the November election we will have a clear choice laid before the American people," the letter reads. "President Bush is rightly offering us that choice and the images of Sept. 11, although painful, are fundamental to that choice. The images in President Bush's campaign television ads are respectful of the memories of Sept. 11."
When asked about the ads on Saturday, President Bush said he will "continue to speak about the effects of 9-11 on our country and my presidency."
"How this administration handled that day, as well as the war on terror, is worthy of discussion. And I look forward to discussing that with the American people," he said.
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told Fox News Channel on Saturday that he personally believed that the ads were inappropriate.
Jimmy Boyle, former president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said he came up with the "Open Letter to America" after hearing that the president was being criticized for the ads.
"I don't think he's taking advantage of Sept. 11 and I feel that he's given us the leadership that we need," said Boyle, who said he will be voting for a Republican president for the first time in November.
"An old, long-whiskered man once said to Teddy Roosevelt: 'I am a Democrat, my father was a Democrat, my grandfather was a Democrat.' Roosevelt then said: 'Then if your father had been a horse thief and your grandfather had been a horse thief, you would be a horse thief?'" --Will Rogers
posted on March 7, 2004 02:16:55 AM new
Always two sides to any issue.
The other thread - 9-11 kin speaking out against President Bush - reminded me of the way the anti-war posters found a couple of statements made by our soldiers and used them to further their anti-war cause. Trying to imply that's the way most/all of our soldiers felt.
That group of firemen and group of family members of the victums on 9-11 were already on record as being opposed to Bush....LONG before this campaign adds were shown. So it wasn't like they approved of what he was already doing....before running the ads.
posted on March 7, 2004 08:19:49 AM new"That group of firemen and group of family members of the victums on 9-11 were already on record as being opposed to Bush....LONG before this campaign adds were shown. So it wasn't like they approved of what he was already doing....before running the ads."
Making up sh!t is a fundamental characteristic of Bush and his supporters.
Now, the press is refusing to simply write whatever the White House releases.
For example,
"President Bush on Saturday brushed aside calls to pull political ads that use images of the devastated World Trade Center, and sought to cast himself as the best candidate to grow the economy despite job losses under his watch. "The economy is getting stronger," Bush said one day after a government report showed the labor market mustered only 21,000 new jobs last month -- as compared to a White House forecast for more than 300,000 new jobs a month this year."
posted on March 7, 2004 09:28:25 AM new
Now there is a another perfect bullsh1t spin stated by a bleeding heart liberal. Nothing but made up garbage by Helen again.
The economy is getting stronger," Bush said one day after a government report showed the labor market mustered only 21,000 new jobs last month -- as compared to a White House forecast for more than 300,000 new jobs a month this year."
You seem to forget that no matter who the president would have been, the economy was going to tank. The 9/11 terrorists saw to that. This is not Bush's fault, nor would it have been Gore's fault if he would have been in office. What matters is how they handled it afterwards. And to bush's credit, he has done about as good as anyone could have under the circumstances.
As far as the adds go, there are very tasteful and do not degrade the 9/11 victims in anyway. Kudos to Bush on a very well done add.
posted on March 7, 2004 10:52:28 AM new"Now there is a another perfect bullsh1t spin stated by a bleeding heart liberal. Nothing but made up garbage by Helen again."
barparts -- It's clear that you are uninformed about the economy and the history of it's decline. You can review the history of Bush's economic policy yourself.
But besides that, I'm interested in your name calling. You have been through here several times to make posts requesting General Mills box tops to help support your schools. I find it pitiful that you are forced to resort to such measures to fund special education for our children, an issue that should be on top of any countries agenda. Is that why you call me a bleeding heart liberal?
If not, tell me what in your opinion has identified me as a bleeding heart liberal to you? And tell me or show me where I have "made up garbage again".
Helen
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[ edited by Helenjw on Mar 7, 2004 11:32 AM ]
posted on March 7, 2004 11:40:15 AM new
Although I admire your efforts, I find it deplorable that funds are not available for the playground equipment for special needs programs that you describe in your posts such as the ones listed here. And for that you call me a bleeding heart.
Excerpts from only some of the posts by barparts which go back to October 14, 2001.
Sept. 1, 2002
What we are collecting them for is funding for special education programs. With the budget short falls that happened this past year from the legislature, one of the areas that is going to trimmed back is the special education for the slightly slower kids. I for one don’t want that to happen. So with your help, we can at least keep the program alive. With some additional help this summer, we can get a head start to help get the programs back to where they need to be.
April 21, 2002
I would like to take this moment to thank all of you that have helped this year with your efforts in sending in your Box Tops For Education Labels. With your support, we were able to keep all of our special education programs open. We did have to reduce many programs, but at least we still have them. Throughout the summer, we will continue to collect box tops in hope of being to expand those programs back to the original state. With your help and the help of others, we believe that we can do it. So please continue saving the General Mills Box Tops for the kids as I know we can help those children that need it.
March 19, 2002
Well the year end for collecting the box tops is here. This year we fell slightly short of our goal, but still had very good results from all of you cyber friends. We are now starting collecting for next year so keep on collecting them for the kids.
Feb 3, 2002
Thanks Helen, As a PTA member and concerned parent, I hate to see any programs cut. I also under stand that there is only so much money in the kettle and when it is empty, then cuts will happen. Within PTA, we cannot actually pay for a teachers wages, but we can help fund programs. If this little bit helps our kids keep up with the others, than we have accomplished our goals. Any and all help for the kids will be appreciated.
Feb 2, 2002
What we are collecting them for is funding for special education programs. With the budget short falls that are happening this year from the legislature, one of the areas that’s going to trimmed back if not completely cut is the special education for the slightly slower kids. I for one don’t want that to happen. So with your help, we can at least keep the program alive.
And now you accuse AW of deleting your posts from the system???
Oct. 25, 2001
"I just want to bring to light what the people here at AW are doing. I have posted a thread for a charity only to have it deleted from the system. Yet others that have a simular thread have nothing done to their threads. It has become apparent that the people at AW do discriminate against honest people that are trying to make our surroundings a much better place to be. They play favorites without regards to the written and constitutional laws. As a relatively newcomer to AW, this is quite dissapointing and is a reflection of their overall services. Why should a newcomer stay to use the services at AW if they are treated with complete disrespect to their civil rights".
"What they are collecting them for is improvements in their playground equipment. The equipment they have right now is so old it literally falls apart when it gets used. Much of it has already had to be removed for safety reasons and the funds have not been there to replace it".
Oct. 23, 2001
"I wasn't going to respond to any of the negativity that Sallyhoffman has been shilling out against myself, as I do believe that responding is just a way to start a war, but enough is enough. You have been responding to other posts within this forum stating that you have not been attacking my posts. Nothing is further from the truth. For the past two weeks, you have attached your made up explanations why people should not send the box tops to my kids’ school. Each time I start a new post, you feel the need to degrade it to promote your own selfish needs. You state that I have copied your post to the word. What do you think I should say? The basis for the forum is virtually the same. The information that needs to be provided within the post is virtually the same so it would only make sense for the posts to be similar. I have been posting this forum in other venues for nearly a year now and only recently brought it to the auction site forums. The big problem that I am having is when you state that I am taking credit for your words it is simply not true. What I have done twice before, (this is the third response) is to copy the post you had left on my post degrading my post and steering people against me and reposting it on your post. In your mind it seems to be OK for you to defame a person but it is not OK for them to respond. It is time to grow up. If you concentrated upon the charity at hand instead of criticizing anyone else that happens to have the same goals, you could have funded every possible program or event that your school could possibly dream up."
There are more quotes barparts but this is a sufficient number to illustrate my point.
Again, I would like to understand your concept of bleeding heart and your allegation that I have posted made up trash.
posted on March 7, 2004 11:43:22 AM newThat group of firemen and group of family members of the victums on 9-11 were already on record as being opposed to Bush....LONG before this campaign adds were shown. So it wasn't like they approved of what he was already doing....before running the ads.
Yes, they may have been on record so their word about the ads reached the news channels first and came from a reliable source. BUT, the follow-up responses from the "man on the street" also spoke volumes.
I view the ads as a "defining moment" alright. A defining moment when Bush had a wake-up call about the government (his and previous) being so complacent about heeding the warnings and then he went on a path of destruction and made a huge big mess of everything.
posted on March 7, 2004 01:52:18 PM new
Kiara - A defining moment when Bush had a wake-up call about the government (his and previous) being so complacent about heeding the warnings and then he went on a path of destruction and made a huge big mess of everything.
lol - Once again we see this differently. While we [on this board] choose our 'sides' and tend to blame the opposite side for everything that goes wrong in the world, I don't really see it that way. And I certainly don't agree that President Bush has made a mess of anything. The blame lies with those who wish to harm our nation, be it physically or economically.
I don't, for one split second, believe ANY US President would KNOW something like this was about to happen and do absolutely nothing about it, or ignore it for any reason.
My take is that the information may or may not have been there....either during clinton's admin. or this President's. But there are millions and millions of other little pieces of information [read: possible threats] that only give a hint of a possible threat. Since we cannot possibably act on each of them, our intelligence sorts through them and makes the 'call' on what is most pressing. Then presents that to our President. And our intelligence agencies do the best they can...with what they have...etc.
That's one of the reasons I think our nation will be in GRAVE danger should Kerry be elected. He has a voting history of voting against giving our intelligence more funding...against giving our military the tanks, etc they're using right now in Iraq. I could never support a person who's weak on defense....there's just too much at stake.
posted on March 7, 2004 02:22:42 PM new
lol Linda, perhaps you (and maybe others) choose your side and tend to blame the opposite side for everything that goes wrong but I hope you're not including me as one of them. (You did start your post by addressing me).
For the record I'm not blaming President Bush for everything that's gone wrong in this world and nowhere have I ever said that.
If you read over what I said you will note that I said "previous governments". I wrote my opinion, that's all. I even admit Canada and other countries have been at fault also.
I notice that each time someone writes something here you copy and paste it, dissect each little word, and then twist and turn it around to make it sound like something else was said. Then you lump them into a certain category in your mind and set out on your mission to refute anything that you don't agree with.
Yesterday Helen asked you if your head was spinning. I will say you make my head spin at times.
