posted on March 10, 2004 09:17:12 AM new
Well it seems Bush who was sooooo displeased with Clinton having donors stay at government facilities now does the same thing.
posted on March 10, 2004 09:35:19 AM newIn a debate with Vice President Al Gore in October 2000, Bush said: "I believe they've moved that sign, 'The buck stops here,' from the Oval Office desk to 'The buck stops here' on the Lincoln Bedroom. And that's not good for the country."
posted on March 10, 2004 11:56:35 AM newLangdon, who stayed at Camp David a few weeks before Russian President Vladimir Putin did last September, said Bush's invitations to him and the other fund-raisers differ from the allegations of the Clinton years.
"Of course I'm a fund-raiser - I support him in every way I can. But my relationship with him and his wife and his family spans more than three decades," said Langdon, who grew up in Texas and was a Bush friend since Bush's early years there. "I certainly don't need to be rewarded with a trip to Camp David for doing what I'm doing."
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And clinton did set the precident even if these weren't long term friends, rather than celebrities that gave campaign donations.
posted on March 10, 2004 12:35:46 PM new
Can I start trafficing drugs and when caught state that George Jung set the precident? Republicans jumped hard and fast down Clintons throat for the practice, now you are saying it's ok because someone else did it first?
As for the They are just friends who happen to be major fundraiser not celebrities that happen to be supporerts arguement... there are no celebrites that actually like Bush are there?
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posted on March 10, 2004 01:40:41 PM new
I wonder what the going rate is for a night in the White House on hotels.com? Does that come with a free breakfast and a view of the capital building?
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posted on March 10, 2004 01:57:17 PM new
LOL fenix - well....let's put it this way......might be some country-western singers who support Bush but I didn't see the whole list of those who have stayed at the WH.
And I believe what you were referring to is considered breaking the law....while staying over night at the WH or CD isn't.
Also....once a precident is set....then it's a-okay for all.
[realizing here if I am wrong on my last two statements, under our laws, reamond will be quick to correct me. ]
reamond will correct me if I'm wrong
Re-elect President Bush!!
posted on March 10, 2004 06:43:13 PM newAlso....once a precident is set....then it's a-okay for all.
So then, these words from the President :
"I believe they've moved that sign, 'The buck stops here,' from the Oval Office desk to 'The buck stops here' on the Lincoln Bedroom. And that's not good for the country."
...are just meaningless BS, or are they lies, Linda?
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posted on March 10, 2004 06:47:03 PM new
here's the complete quote, just so you know it isn't taken out of context. He made this statement in a debate with Gore.
I think the thing that discouraged me about the vice president was uttering those famous words, 'no controlling legal authority.' I felt like that there needed to be a better sense of responsibility of what was going on in the White House. I believe that--I believe they've moved that sign, 'The buck stops here,' from the Oval Office desk to 'The buck stops here' on the Lincoln Bedroom, and that's not good for the country.
George W. Bush
October 3rd, 2000
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posted on March 10, 2004 07:26:12 PM new
profe - Let's put this into prespective shall we?
Is this the next 'scandal' the dems are coming up with? 'cause if it is, it's laughable.
The article says 270 people stayed at the WH. Another 270 at CD that = 540. And there are 9 people that this article points out were attendees at either place.
Who were they?
1) a Yale classmate
2) a partner in The Texas Rangers
3) Bush's campaign re-election fund raiser in California
4) fraternity brother at Yale and TR business partner.
5) oil and TR business partner
6) someone Bush appointed when he was governor of Texas
7) a childhood friend
8) 2 current governors
9) a man who works on Bush's foreign intelligence advisory board and worked with his 2000 presidental transition.
Boy......life long friends and business partners. Ever heard of FRIENDS coming over to visit friends?
clinton sold the visits to the WH to those who made contributions to his campaign fund. They weren't lifelong friends or business partners.
So what about Bush's quote above? Was he lying? mistaken? naive? did he mean it or not? According to your words above, if it was ok for Clinton, it's ok for Bush. Do I understand you to mean that you accept Bush lowering himself to Clinton's level?
C'mon, answer the question directly. Please.
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posted on March 10, 2004 07:38:18 PM new
profe - I have answered directly. This is much different. These are life long friends not people who are willing to pay to gain political influence with someone they haven't known until he became President, like it was with clinton.
The Lincoln Bedroom was the selling of our WH....anyone who made a donation could stay. Those people weren't clinton's life long friends and business partners coming for a visit.
posted on March 10, 2004 10:54:35 PM new
Oh, I get it. It's OK to sell (or "rent" rooms in the White House to big donors who are friends of yours, but to strangers or mere acquaintances...
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Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on March 11, 2004 05:54:50 AM new
linda, you didn't read the article.
At least nine of Bush's biggest fund-raisers appear on the latest list of White House overnight guests, covering June 2002 through December 2003, and-or on the Camp David list, which covers last year. They include:
Mercer Reynolds, an Ohio financier, former Bush partner in the Texas Rangers baseball team and former ambassador to Switzerland. Reynolds is leading Bush's campaign fund-raising effort. He was a guest at the White House and the Camp David retreat in Maryland's Catoctin Mountains.
Brad Freeman, a venture capitalist who is leading Bush's California fund-raising effort, has raised at least $200,000 for his re-election campaign and is also a major Republican Party fund-raiser. Freeman stayed at the White House.
Roland Betts, who raised at least $100,000 for Bush in 2000, was a Bush fraternity brother at Yale and a Texas Rangers partner. Betts stayed at the White House and Camp David.
William DeWitt, a Bush partner in the oil business and Texas Rangers who has raised at least $200,000 for Bush's re-election effort, stayed at the White House.
James Francis, who headed the Bush campaign's 2000 team of $100,000-and-up volunteer fund-raisers and was a Bush appointee in Texas when Bush was governor. Francis was a White House guest.
Joseph O'Neill, an oilman and childhood friend who introduced Bush to Laura Bush and raised at least $100,000 for each of Bush's presidential campaigns, stayed at the White House.
Colorado Gov. Bill Owens and New York Gov. George Pataki, who each raised at least $200,000 for Bush's re-election campaign, were White House guests.
James Langdon, who raised at least $100,000 for Bush, is a Washington attorney specializing in international oil and gas transactions. Langdon, whose clients include the Russian oil company Lukoil, is a member of Bush's foreign intelligence advisory board and served on Bush's 2000 presidential transition team on energy policy.
posted on March 11, 2004 07:18:54 AM new
Here are clinton's own words, in his own handwriting. Not requesting that life-long friends/supports come stay.....but rather agreement to seek out big contributors.
posted on March 11, 2004 07:26:27 AM new
What difference does it make if one seeks out the donors or they come to you waving big checks? The end result is the same--the donor gets to have a sleepover at the White House. If it was wrong for Clinton to do it, it is also wrong for Bush to do it.
Personally, I don't get het up about a sleep over. Now if that donor's company got a sweet deal from the government somewhere down the line, that would be something to get het up about...
edited to put an "r" in.
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Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
[ edited by bunnicula on Mar 11, 2004 07:27 AM ]
Most all President's have had overnight guests in the WH. I seriously doubt that many would be invited if they didn't support the current sitting President.
Bill clinton took it to a whole new level. He *abused* it.
posted on March 11, 2004 07:50:48 AM new
Helen,
You can't have it both ways. Clinton did the same thing. Right or wrong, you cannot have a double edged sword on this one.
