posted on March 13, 2004 01:29:19 PM new
hey,all you californians,is kroeger considered pricey?
we just have one open in our neighborhood,i usually shop at costco and HEB,but since it is new and round the corner,i went.
prices are high.
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posted on March 13, 2004 04:04:12 PM new
i heard that was a big strike with kroeger of california and the other stores.
benefit as kroger shoppers shopped at wholefood and costco instead.
is it called VONS in california??
competition is pretty tough in the supermarket business,walmart is hurting some ,albertson pulled out of texas.
randall which is part of safeway is not doing well.
it is not enough for stores to look good,grocery has to be nice and cheap,you cant eat the store.
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posted on March 13, 2004 04:19:37 PM new
Oh, Vons. Yes, Vons stores are very pricey--most especially Vons Pavillions. I only go there once in a blue moon when looking for fruits or veggies not carried by theother stores. They do carry a wider and sometimes more exotic selection in that area.
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posted on March 13, 2004 06:28:27 PM new
whichever had the big strike recently.
i went thru the entire store,it seems every item i look at is pricier than what i am used to.
organic green onion 99 cents,non organic 59cents.
buddy L chicken 2.99 a lb,at HEB,which is a texan store,it is 1.99 to 2.19.
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posted on March 13, 2004 08:23:00 PM new
Ralph's is not that pricey - except for the one closest to me since it is the only downtown supermarket. I think the priciest in Cal in general is Gelson's. I have not been in a Wholefoods lately but back when it was Mrs Gooches it was pricey but then their selection was a bit more esoteric.
The strike was officially against Vons I think but Albertsons and Ralphs answered with a lock-out so it effectively hit all three chains. Now that the strike is over, most of the employees are upset to find that the have come back to demotions and reduced hours. Basically they lost more in their first week off the job than the new contract was asking them to pay but they stayed out for 4 months.
Calling a strike in a depressed economy with high unemployment is just plain stupid - there were more than enough people willing to step in and take the jobs the union members walked away from. I think the truckers joined in for all of about a week before they realized they were cutting off their nose despite their face since there were plenty of indy truckers more than willing to work close to home for awhile.
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posted on March 13, 2004 08:28:03 PM new
There aren't any Krogers in Maryland but I've read about the grocery strikes in Southern California. Wal-Mart, which is expanding throughtout that area has no unions and pays low wages and minimal amounts for health care. Because they pay their employees so little and offer few benefits they can offer price competition that Kroger and Safeway etc. are unable to match.
As a rusult of this competition from Wal mart, Kroger and Safeway are paying less health benefits to their workers.
It's being called the Wal=Martization of healthcare for California working families.
....eventually there will be a significant number of uninsured workers to add to the 48 million in the country already uninsured.
This is an American problem that would not happen in Europe where countries have national health care programs. Canada and Mexico have no premiums for private health care insurance either.
I don't shop in Wal-Mart.
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Mar 13, 2004 08:30 PM ]
posted on March 14, 2004 05:56:57 AM new
We have Kroeger but they have a lot of competition. We also have Farmer Jack - Meijer's -lots of independants and specialty fruit, meat, seafood and ethnic markets as well as Whole Foods.
We are getting the bottom of the line Food for less or something put in where the regular Farmer Jacks could not survive.
And we also have the Costco and Sam's Club Wharehouse clubs.
Kroeger always has super specials - for example this week I went there and bought asperagus for $1.99 a pound - but if an item is not on special which you have to use a customer card to get it will always be more than elsewhere.
Their stores are a little more attractive than Farmer Jack but you'll pay 10 - 15% more.
The thing is we are in a very affluent area. From what I see most of these people in their Escalantes just go in and buy what they want and don't worry about the cost. A lot of them would rather eat out 3 or 4 nights a week so the store probably seems a bargin compared to that. Prices of something can range 100% - for example you can get nice beef tenderloin at Sam's for about $10 a pound but at Kroger or Papa Joes's it is $20 a pound. Ground round at Sam's will be $2+ but at the others $4+. Cucumbers can be over fifty cents at Farmer but at the little ethnic market I go to they are twenty five cents.
posted on March 14, 2004 06:31:08 AM new"Canada and Mexico" "LOL, it has already been brought out here in these very same boards, what failures those systems are..." Twelvepole
A system that fails to insure 48 million men, women and children is a failure. It's scandalous that the insurance industry is so in control of this country. I'll bet there are more insurance lobbyists in congress than we have troops in Iraq.
Furthermore, information that is "brought out here in these very same boards" is fraught with political sleaze and untruth.
Helen
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posted on March 14, 2004 06:42:29 AM new
one word about ethnic supermarkets-
we have both asian and mexican supermarkets here and prices of fresh produce and meat and seafood are lower.
BUT,their suppliers are not the same ones supplying the kroeger,albertson,winn dixie,safeway etc.
take the asian supermarket here-the beef and prok and chicken come from a farm using low grade feed,no corn and you can tell from the meat,beef is grass fed and chicken and pork do not taste as well.
as for fresh produce,the suppliers could be using chemicals to encourage fast growth and repel insects which big chain suppliers would not use for good reasons.
i was in an asian market early one morning and a young asian lady approached me and offer her chives she grows herself,she said the supermarket would not take all and whatever she has left she would sell me at a good price.
now who is going to check to see what chemicals she is using on her chives??
same with fish,they could come from polluted area,sure they look good and fresh,but in the long run,you pay for it with your health.
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posted on March 14, 2004 06:51:02 AM new
everyone blames the insurance industry as if they are just raking in premium and smiling all the way to the bank.
a patient with good health insurance is music to the provider ears,i read postings of medical forum,how many have gone thru tons and tons of tests ordered by their doctors and still have the problem unresolved.
hopsitals with fancy atrium,fountains and nice lounge area,they have bills to pay,all these test equipments have to be paid for,lease payments must be met,staff must be paid and the doctors are the best salesman to bring in the revenue badly needed.
put yourself in their shoes,close your eyes and imagine youself as a medical doctor with student loan,car payment,house mortgage and a practice funded by borrowed money,special lessons for your kids and the nice wardrobe your wife needs to spruce your image as a respectacle citizen in the neigborhood,you get the idea.
they have this mighty pen and prescription pad,wonder why they are all prescribing nexxium for gastro intestinal disorder when prilosev is now over the counter.nexxium is one dollar per pop while OTC prilosev is like no more than 35 cents.
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posted on March 14, 2004 10:41:16 AM new
LOL - Yeah I bet that Asian lady who grows chives for local markets has one of those big 200 gallon plastic tanks behind a quarter million dollar tractor and sprays liquid death on her 600 acres of chives.
I'd be shocked if ANY of the grocery stores asked anything of their wholesaler than how much and when can it be here. We see crap in the local markets all the time with rotten spots or all dried up and obviously a week old. And the condition is no relationship to price.
posted on March 14, 2004 11:01:40 AM new
BTW, stopwhining, with Mad Cow Disease getting people's knickers in a twist, grass fed beef is the new "in" thing.
posted on March 14, 2004 11:32:54 AM new
snow peapods served in chinese restaurants in some states are grown in a certain central american country and there is no way to stop them from using chemicals or too much chemicals.do you know the leftover white rice you left on your plate is dished into a big bowl and used later for fried rice??
aussie beef is grass fed,nothing worng with grass fed as long as you like the taste .
to the consumers,there is no way to tell if the chives and green onion etc are grown with too much chemical and pesticides,how do you tell??
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posted on March 14, 2004 11:34:37 AM new
i used to belong to sam's club and one thing i notice is that they dont have good beef,now i switch to costco,they have better beef.may be things have changed ,i have not been back to sam for years.
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posted on March 14, 2004 10:17:18 PM new
Kroger is an excellent place to shop. Most stores are in the Midwest. It is good to see them on the west coast. They give a lot to the poor at the grassroots. Employ lots of challenged adults and young people.
posted on March 15, 2004 05:46:46 AM new
fred,
the only thing i find competitively priced in our kroeger store is animal crackers.
but then it is just round the corner from where i live,so i am saving gas and driving time.
we eat to live,not live to eat-benjamin franklin.
nowhere does benjie said we should eat the store,no matter how attractive it is!!
OR EAT THE WORKERS ,NO MATTER HOW CHALLENGED THEY ARE!!!!!!!
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