posted on June 3, 2004 12:04:24 PM new
Sorry - just could not bring myself to scroll thru Skylites post in the other threads : )
I'd I have to say that if he is leaving on his own I wish him well. Yes we have suffered intelligence breakdowns, some absolutely stunning but all in all I would say that he has done a good job. I think if I had had to deal with psot 9/11, Iraq, and a President that attributes incorrect intelligence to my organization I would not have stayed on the job as long as he has.
If he was asked to fall on his sword, I think it is just another example of horrendous PR on the part of the White House. This is a guy that is intelligent, well spoken, and comes across with an air of real sincereity. I wonder how much of the BS that has been pitched at us by this administration would have been more paletable if coming from him rather than Rumsfeld of Ashcroft
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Oh god - Chalabi speaking on Tenent on CNN and of course he is tearing him up one side and down the other but what I don't understand is that he apparently feels that attempts to help organize a coup de ta (sp?) against Saddam was a bad idea. Of course all of his statements end up with a tremendously false ring when he ends them by stating that Tenet is behind all of his recent problems with the news of Chalabi leaking intelligence to Iran. Who picked Chalabi anyway? I think the one thing that all Iraqis no matter their political beliefs agreed on was their contempt for him.
Of course someone is now going to tell me it was Tenet (I know he approved somewhere along the line but who came up with the pitch that brought him acceptance I wonder) that I will selectively ignore because I am at the tail end of 36 hours in front of this damn computer trying to finalize the site (I think I have listened to the Gangs of New York DVD at least 5 times during this stint) and I am feeling stubborn, sentimental and more than just a little slap happy.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on June 3, 2004 12:38:34 PM new
I don't know what to think about Tenet's resignation....we could take him at his word that it was for personal reasons....but since that's the typical 'don't burn your bridges' resignation reason...who really knows. We'll have to wait until we read his book.
I can't imagine a job like his...always someone who's unhappy with something you're doing. People from both parties calling for his resignation for everything they think has gone wrong. The stress has to be enormous and with the events of 9-11 and the restructuring job he's been responsible for...it just seems, to me, he might have said 'to hell with it - I don't need this - life's too short.
He's a clinton administration hold-over...and from what I've read President Bush has supported and relied on him for the past three years.
Re-elect President Bush!!
posted on June 3, 2004 12:53:30 PM new
Wow, was just looking at the history of CIA directors and since the CIAs inception in '46 only 2 have held the position longer. Most seem to last about 2 years. 7 years under two vastly different admintistrations is quite an accomplishment.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
With only a few months until the end of the Bush term why would Tenet rush to resign now? The answer is that his resignation was another fall on his sword for Bush...just in time for the election in an attempt to lead the American people to think that all Bush failure was Tenet's fault.
Next? Bigpeepa...How about Rumsfeld? Wolfowitz, Rove, Rice, Cheney and George W. Bush.
posted on June 4, 2004 08:56:08 PM new
HELENJW, You are right and Bush and company will all be gone after John Kerry wins. I have decided that I will slow way down on my post to block headed republicans on this board. Most are so blind they can't see what is really going on in both this country and the world.
I get to spend time with 15 to 20 older people a day so my time is much better spent getting those people out to vote for Kerry. I am talking to these people about Kerry and asking them to get everyone they know out to vote for Kerry. I also made a few hundred copies of an address where they can send money to help Kerry fight the republican lies. I am doing this not because I am a Democrat but because I am big time scared what will become of this great country if we get 4 more years of Bush and company. Its very scary.
VOTE FOR A NEW START VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY AND HELP SAVE ALL OF OUR NECKS
posted on June 4, 2004 09:27:41 PM new Bigpeepa, I admire your conviction and your tenacity in dealing with the lying bunch of conservatives on this board. I know a few Republicans personally but I've never encountered the neocon fundamentalist element that is found here. I wish you good luck with your people and hope that you have some time to post here too. I really don't think that the world will survive another four years of the Bush administration. The majority in my state, Maryland will not be voting for him.
posted on June 5, 2004 10:35:50 PM new
Interesting thread! I have a comment about one part of it: I know that people suspect there's a "real" reason behind someone leaving a good job of his own volition. My husband was a university v.p. for 17 lonnnnng years, through 3 administrations. 80-hour weeks, very good salary, perks, all the campus banquet dinner food he could eat, junkets, a certain amount of fame, you name it. When our family didn't need him for something specific, he was working conscientiously. And did a damn fine job, too.
After 17 years he told his boss, the president, that he wanted to step down, take a year's sabbatical, work one more year at research for the president, and then take early retirement. His detractors were triumphant--they thought they'd forced him to quit by being their darling negative selves. Most folks thought he'd had to leave, and try as we could, we could not convince even some of our good friends that he'd left that great-paying job for. . . retirement. . . and time to read and play, and travel and enjoy his grandchildren. Money ain't everything, is it!
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As I've matured, I've learned . .
#2. . . that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and all the less important ones just never go away. And the real pains in the butt are permanent.
posted on June 6, 2004 07:48:18 AM new
fenix i agree with you it was quite an accomplishment. I honestly don't think it is a democrat or republican thing. He has been through 2 administrations, is 65 years old and at that age does anyone want a stressful job? I doubt it. Maybe he doesn't see eye to eye with the president or maybe it is something else. I doubt if we will know the whole story until he writes his book or may he will never write a book. We can read all the news print we want and of course with the liberal or conservative press reasons will be different. I am sure Mr. Tenant is still a man with many more years of service but maybe he has a family with children and grandchildren and wants a little more quality time with them. Life is short. Who knows. The CIA is an organization that has to be up on everything and also with the secrets that go along with it. I commend him for his time of service and his dedication to the CIA.
it was quite an accomplishment. I honestly don't think it is a democrat or republican thing. He has been through 2 administrations, is 65 years old and at that age does anyone want a stressful job? I doubt it. Maybe he doesn't see eye to eye with the president or maybe it is something else. I doubt if we will know the whole story until he writes his book or may he will never write a book. We can read all the news print we want and of course with the liberal or conservative press reasons will be different. I am sure Mr. Tenant is still a man with many more years of service but maybe he has a family with children and grandchildren and wants a little more quality time with them. Life is short. Who knows. The CIA is an organization that has to be up on everything and also with the secrets that go along with it. I commend him for his time of service and his dedication to the CIA.