posted on June 11, 2004 05:59:38 PM new
And you read it first. To all who said the WMD would never be accounted for. this from the UN, NOT from the US inspection teams.
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UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Friday, June 11, 2004
The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.
The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.
The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.
UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on June 9 that "the only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East Newsline reported.
"It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing. "It's being traded out. And there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal."
"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations included Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey.
The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters – the latter required for the production of chemical and biological warheads.
"It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for," Ewen Buchanan, Perricos's spokesman, said. "You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax."
The UNMOVIC report said Iraqi missiles were dismantled and exported to such countries as Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an SA-2 surface-to-air missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN tags. In Jordan, UN inspectors found 20 SA-2 engines as well as components for solid-fuel for missiles.
"The problem for us is that we don't know what may have passed through these yards and other yards elsewhere," Buchanan said. "We can't really assess the significance and don't know the full extent of activity that could be going on there or with others of Iraq's neighbors."
UN inspectors have assessed that the SA-2 and the short-range Al Samoud surface-to-surface missile were shipped abroad by agents of the Saddam regime. Buchanan said UNMOVIC plans to inspect other sites, including in Turkey.
In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El Baradei said material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the country.
"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno
posted on June 11, 2004 06:02:01 PM new
Bear, this is the same information the US presented to the UN for their reason to go to war. At the time the UN did not believe the US so why should we believe the report now.
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posted on June 11, 2004 06:17:12 PM new
Logan, reread the article
The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.
"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno
posted on June 11, 2004 06:37:10 PM newnew findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.
I suppose these new finding were given to the UN by Bush
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posted on June 11, 2004 10:25:27 PM newTo all who said the WMD would never be accounted for....
A critical reading of the agency's actual report will show that this doesn't account for squat..
The entire report is available as a PDF HERE if you'd care to get the information without worldtribune.com's (whoever they are) spin. It's much less conclusive than this news blurb is, to say the least.
Their headline reads "UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after", while the report doesn't say that at all.
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posted on June 11, 2004 11:22:05 PM new
typical...
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posted on June 12, 2004 12:51:09 AM new
Here's a couple more, bear. One from earlier this week - the other from yesterday.
They're going to find out where they went. My bet is on Syria.
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U.N. Finds Banned Missile Engines in Jordan
Wednesday, June 09, 2004
AP
UNITED NATIONS — U.N. weapons experts have found 20 engines used in banned Iraqi missiles in a Jordan scrapyard along with other equipment that could be used to make weapons of mass destruction, an official said Wednesday.
The discoveries were revealed to the U.N. Security Council (search) by acting chief U.N. inspector Demetrius Perricos during in a closed-door briefing.
The text was obtained by The Associated Press.
The U.N. team was following up on an earlier discovery of a similar Al Samoud 2 (search) engine in a scrapyard in the Dutch port of Rotterdam.
Perricos said inspectors also want to check in Turkey, which has also received scrap metal from Iraq.
Perricos told the Security Council said U.N. inspectors do not know how much material that they had monitored orginated in Iraq.
U.N. inspectors were pulled out of Iraq just before the war began in March 2003, and the United States has refused to allow them to return, instead deploying its own teams to search for weapons of mass destruction.
Perricos suggested that the interim Iraqi government (search), which will assume sovereignty when the U.S. and British occupation of the country ends on June 30, may want to reconsider "the whole policy for the continued export of metal scrap" which apparently started in mid-2003 and is regulated by the U.S.-led coalition.
"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks ... thereby also rendering the task of the disarmament of Iraq and its eventual confirmation, more difficult," Perricos said.
"The only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," he said, according to the text of his briefing.
Afterwards, he told reporters that up to a thousand tons of scrap metal was leaving Iraq every day. "It's being exported. It's being traded out, and there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal," he said.
During last week's visit to Jordan, Perricos told the council that U.N. experts visited "relevant scrapyards" with the full cooperation of Jordanian authorities and discovered 20 SA-2 missile engines.
The U.N. team also discovered some processing equipment with U.N. tags ? which show it was being monitored ? including heat exchangers, and a solid propellant mixer bowl to make missile fuel, he said. It also discovered "a large number of other processing equipment without tags, in very good condition."
"These visits provide just a snapshot of the whole picture since the scrap metal has a short residence time and is re-exported to various countries," Perricos told the council.
In its quarterly report to the council on Monday, the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission which Perricos heads, said a number of sites in Iraq known to have contained equipment and material that could be used to produce banned weapons and long-range missiles have been cleaned out or destroyed.
The inspectors said they didn't know whether the items, which had been monitored by the United Nations, were at the sites during the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
The commission, known as UNMOVIC (search), said it was possible some material was taken by looters and sold as scrap.
UNMOVIC said its experts and a team from the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. body responsible for dismantling Iraq's nuclear program, were jointly investigating items from Iraq discovered in a scrapyard in Rotterdam.
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posted on June 12, 2004 04:53:32 AM new
Hmmm, and I believe it was your beloved Ronald Reagan who supplied chemical weapons to Hussein in the first place - along with Iran and Osama bin Laden. But then, how was he to know that these criminals were going to turn their attention to us? They are only criminals and you know how unpredictable criminals can be? Ya, right. You bring up Clinton, so I guess I'll bring up Reagan. Tit for tat, so they say.
posted on June 12, 2004 07:11:46 AM new
If the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were moved and found in another country. Is Bush going to decide to invade that country?
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posted on June 12, 2004 10:39:47 AM newYou bring up Clinton, so I guess I'll bring up Reagan. Tit for tat, so they say.
Cheryl
LOL....I have absolutely no problem with whomever you choose to bring up cheryl. This does sound a little childish to me though [tit for tat].....maybe you should express those feelings to the whole media empire since THEY too continue to bring up clinton. LOL
posted on June 12, 2004 10:56:47 AM new
Linda, all these naysayer libs would never believe the findings of the UN at this point. Even if a canister of sarin was located up their posterior, they would claim President Bush planted it there.
But if Clinton had planted the canister, they would claim "he did it for the good of the people".
"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno
posted on June 12, 2004 11:00:32 AM new
::Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared. ::
Someone please explain this one to me. We invaded in March of 2003. Two months later we photograph a ballistic miscle site, we soon declare mission accomplished and our control over the situation and then when the site disappears 4 months ago we blame it on Saddam.
If we knew the thing was there, shouldn't we have done something to secure it? Isn't the fact that a ballistic missle site disappeared from under of very noses just a tad bit embarassing?
I have to say that if that is the kind of evidence that is being shown to prove the evils of Saddam either the presenters are either complete idiots or they are operating on the hope and a prayers that no one looking at their evidence owns a calendar.
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posted on June 12, 2004 11:39:13 AM new
Again wrong, kiara - A google search using 'clinton june 2004' brings up almost 911,000 links. And guess what?? tons of people are bring up his name and actions - past and present- and they're not all Fox News.
But since Fox News has obtained the recognition of being FIRST in cable news....the left just can't handle it so must continue with their snide remarks as if the story isn't true or believable. But it is....and it came from the Associated Press - with Fox News reporting on it.
posted on June 12, 2004 11:49:39 AM new
I don't know bear - I sure don't understand it. It's like they're rooting for saddam to be right and our country to be proven wrong - to be shamed in the world arena - all because of their hatred for President Bush.
The continued denial that saddam could possibily have been involved in *any* UN violations just appears to not be conceivable to them. And even when a couple of them do admit to UN violations they dismiss the findings as being rather insignificant.
Sad....very sad because the terrorists are more united in their lust to distroy our way of life, than we are to defend it.
posted on June 12, 2004 01:11:41 PM new
There's Linda with her little pity party again, hoping if she shows enough sad little blue faces that people will come running to her cause and cheer for more war and killings of innocent people.
Linda, about Clinton..... let's just narrow this down a bit more. Since it's the oral sex/Clinton association that you just can't seem to get over, how about googling "oral sex clinton june 2004" and bring up a different # of results. Seems like there are 11,300. And guess what? Probably lots are from media and people just like you.
posted on June 12, 2004 03:25:31 PM new
Fenix has a point. Something weird about that report.
We keep getting told that WMD have been found, only to discover that the report is false.
Remember the planes? "We have discovered high tech Iraqi planes!" Except that they'd been taken apart years before, buried practically unprotected in the sand, & were totally worthless. Story quickly dropped.
Remember the serin-filled bombs? "We have discovered serin-filled bombs being used by the Iraqis!" Except that the serin had been removed years before, only traces remained, and the bombs had been rigged as ordinary explosive devices. Story quickly dropped.
NeoCons jump up and down excitedly screaming "yes, they did too have WMDS! Clinton said so, too!"a The trouble is that they can't seem to recognize a difference between "did" and "do." Years ago the Iraqis did have WMDS. Now they do not. And did not when we started this war. If Saddam had had them, he would have used them instead of letting us kick his butt.
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posted on June 12, 2004 04:05:13 PM new
If all of you naysayers reread the report, no where does it say the UN report was based on US photographs or information.
THIS IS A REPORT ISSUED BY THE UN's OWN WEAPONS INSPECTORS AND FINDINGS OF ROCKET PARTS (THAT WERE REPORTED DESTROYED MONTHS PRIOR TO THE WAR), BEING FOUND IN TOO NEW CONDITION TO HAVE BEEN DESTROYED OVER A YEAR AGO.
The was not a US sponsored report, what about that can't you lips understand?
[i]Remember the planes? "We have discovered high tech Iraqi planes!" Except that they'd been taken apart years before, buried practically unprotected in the sand, & were totally worthless. Story quickly dropped.
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Only because the liberal media refuses to publish anything that reflects the positive aspects of the war. is why you don't read about it.
But you are incorrect in your assumption the all the aircraft had been dismanteled years ago & were all outdated. I posted a link a month or so ago which showed a advanced model of MIG, that was equipted with previously unseen (outside Russia) electronics.
"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno
[ edited by Bear1949 on Jun 12, 2004 04:12 PM ]
posted on June 12, 2004 05:29:59 PM new
Bear - I am still wondering ofyou can describe how something that was discovered while Iraq was under our watch and sussequently disappeared while it was under our watch managed to do do so without our knowledge.
Come on, that is either a beaming example of incompetence, or there is something quite hinky about the report. Are you telling me that we just left a known ballistic missle site ungaurded, unwatched and untouched by us.
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posted on June 12, 2004 06:05:07 PM new
Maybe it was invisible...
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posted on June 13, 2004 08:47:59 AM new
Exactly, anyone who has a bottle of Bleach in their home has a component of a WOMD. Should every home be invaded. (Ashcroft thinks so)
posted on June 13, 2004 03:00:08 PM new
And those UN Tagged components were to have been destroyed, not exported.
Just further evidence that no matter the source of info, the left will never believe anything unless it comes from the mouth of Bill or Hillary.
"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno
posted on June 13, 2004 06:45:43 PM new
Those "components" were sold as scrap. We're really grabbing at straws to make excuses for that loser Bush aren't we Bear?
posted on June 13, 2004 07:10:24 PM new
And still Bear offer no explinaton or even acknowledgement for the disappearing missle site that vanished while under our watch.
As fr the pieces found in scrap yards... how do you think they destroy misslesBear - take out back and blow them up? They are dimantled and the parts sold for scrap. Of course if you do not consider this destruction, I was wonder if I could borrow your truck... I promise not to "destroy" it
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