Twelvepole
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posted on June 23, 2004 05:43:21 PM new
It seems that democrats really don't like democracy and allowing the voters a choice.
In Arizona, democrats there are trying to stop Ralph Nader from even getting on the ballot... talk about hypocrisy at its finest.
Demos must be scared... LOL
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twig125silver
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posted on June 23, 2004 06:25:30 PM new
I think they believe Nader will divide the Democratic vote. Although the electoral college will not vote for him...kinda like when Perot ran.
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bigpeepa
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posted on June 23, 2004 06:40:40 PM new
The democrats learned all the republican dirty tricks last election. Now its payback time.
OUTSOURCE THE BUSH GOVERNMENT BEFORE ITS TO LATE
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parklane64
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posted on June 23, 2004 09:29:56 PM new
Yep, sounds about right. Four years behind the times and a Supreme Court Justice short. This should be fun to watch.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 23, 2004 09:33:19 PM new
twelve - I read that too. And you're correct, it appears that way - more and more - the closer we get to this election.
They've been trying to *talk* Nader out of running, now they're going to try a different method to keep him from his constitutional right to run as a third party candidate.
Might just make Nader even MORE determined to hold in there...just to show them he CAN. AND it might give those voters who are still undecided a reason to NOT vote for a democrat kerry.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Linda_K
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posted on June 23, 2004 09:37:30 PM new
LOL parklane - [still enjoying that quick-wit of yours]
Reminded me of: a day late and a dollar short. Although with all the soft money from donors like MoveOn and Saros helping him out...should he lose he won't be able to say it's because he didn't have enough funding.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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profe51
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posted on June 24, 2004 05:41:08 AM new
It seems to me it's generally Bush supporters here and elsewhere who like to bring up Nader...makes sense, I guess, he's Bush's only hope 
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 24, 2004 05:53:01 AM new
LOL Profe, you have something against a 3rd party running?
Its brought up because it is NEWS, you know like the threads started about the US in Iraq...
You don't see the Republican party trying to deny Nader his right to be on the ballot do you?
Are you blaming the Republican party because it just so happens that the extreme right of the Demo party likes Nader and what he stands for? Sounds like an excuse from the Democrats and the right...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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bigpeepa
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posted on June 24, 2004 05:59:12 AM new
Linda_K, you are forgetting the millions of middle class and working class people that have sent their hard earned dollars to John Kerry. Like I said before the democrats have learned well about dirty tricks from the republicans. The Republicans can't just buy this election with special interest money.
OUTSOURCE GEO BUSH BEFORE ITS TO LATE
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profe51
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posted on June 24, 2004 06:11:10 AM new
LOL Profe, you have something against a 3rd party running?
No, I don't.
You don't see the Republican party trying to deny Nader his right to be on the ballot do you?
Of course not. But don't hand me any high minded crap about it being because Republicans are more democratic than Democrats.They need him, desperately, just like the last time. Imagine how it would be if the shoe were on the other foot. McCain running as an independent instead of Nader...you'd see Republicans scrambling to interfere with with him the way Democrats are trying to block Nader now, and you'd more than likely see Democrats whining about it the way Republicans are now.
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. It's as plain as day.
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Reamond
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posted on June 24, 2004 06:17:05 AM new
Hey profe51 - the right wing wackos seem to forget that Gore had more votes than Bush and Bush was handed the election by the Supreme Court and his crook brother.
Unless Kerry is found in bed with a dead young girl or a live young boy, he's our next president.
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 24, 2004 06:40:48 AM new
Why is it when something like this happens.. demos always have to have a "What if" well if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped... makes about as much sense as your analogy...
Sure reamond, hang on to that misinformation if it makes you feel better...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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bigpeepa
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posted on June 24, 2004 07:06:45 AM new
Parklane64, your words, "Four years behind the times and a Supreme Court Justice short. This should be fun to watch."
Right now today and for the last 3 years I've been having great fun watching the Republicans trying to defend their failed leader. To me all I see is republicans shaking in their cowboy boots over what Bush/Cheney have done to this country.
parklane64, once again your words, "You know...the best way to defeat a liberal is to let them speak." This type of republican arrogance win the democrats a lot of votes so keep up your good work.
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logansdad
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posted on June 24, 2004 08:36:32 AM new
It is funny how the republicans here are trying to twist this.
Arizona Democrats charged that 72 percent of the signatures Nader submitted on his petitions to get on the ballot are invalid, mostly because many of the names do not appear to be those of registered voters in Arizona
Why should Nader be allowed on the ballot of the registered voters are not really eligible to vote in the first place? The Republicans could also have challenged Nader's petitions unless they still believe Nader is going to help Bush instead of hurt him.
Do the Republicans forget how registered black Democratic voters were turned away in Florida in the 2000 election. Was Gov. Bush trying to prevent these people from casting their votes for Gore?
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[ edited by logansdad on Jun 24, 2004 10:30 AM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on June 24, 2004 08:53:46 AM new
If this becomes a pattern of harassment in other states, we will ask John Kerry to disown and disapprove of these antidemocratic tactics," Nader said. AP
According to yesterdays Chicago Sun Times....looks like Nader thinks he's being harassed by the democrats.
Antidemocratic tactics.....INDEED!!!
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Linda_K
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posted on June 24, 2004 09:49:04 AM new
bigpeepa - Part of Nader's position is that BOTH parties cater to corporate interests.
taken from CNN.com
He contends both parties are captive to corporate interests. When announcing his campaign February 22 on NBC's "Meet The Press," he said he is running to "challenge the two-party duopoly" he believes is damaging American democracy. He also criticized the treatment of third party and independent candidates as "second-class citizens."
In Nader's view, the Democratic Party is part of the problem, having lost touch with its progressive heritage.
"The liberal intelligentsia has allowed its party to become a captive of corporate interests," he said.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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bigpeepa
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posted on June 24, 2004 01:32:41 PM new
Linda_K, You have one up on me because you seem to have all the time in the world to make lots of posts and replies to posts. I do not have as much time because I have to work to pay bills. One bill I pay is my outrageous $825.00 per month health insurance payment. I can remember when a couple years ago the republicans and drug companies went crazy and spent millions and millions on lies to defeat the democrat's national health care plan. Since Nader can't win a dog catchers job and the republicans don't care about the working class people my only hope is that Kerry and party will come through for me and other hard working tax paying Americans. One of the many reasons I will be voting for John Kerry is he has promised affordable health insurance for all. To me something about 43 million Americans without any health insurance is BIG TIME WRONG.
If you like what Mr. Nader says then you should vote for him because voting for Nader is like voting for Bush. We Democrats learned that in the last election where Bush got appointed not elected to office because of Mr. Nader.
OUTSOURCE THE BUSH GOVERNMENT AND REPUBLICAN CONGRESS
[ edited by bigpeepa on Jun 24, 2004 01:34 PM ]
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NearTheSea
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posted on June 24, 2004 02:41:54 PM new
It seems to me it's generally Bush supporters here and elsewhere who like to bring up Nader
NA AH!! (is that how thats spelled LOL)
I've brought up LYNDON LAROUCHE A LOT
LaRouche, he's my man! Yea! Yea! Yea!
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cyberseller01
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posted on June 24, 2004 03:36:10 PM new
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.
Well I'll say a vote for Kerry is not much different than a vote for Bush. Kerry is a warmonger and he's bought and sold by corporate interests. Kerry is also against gay marriage. What good is John Kerry?
Ralph Nader may not win, but at least we'll be sending a loud and clear message to the Democrat party that they need to get their act together.
[ edited by cyberseller01 on Jun 24, 2004 03:36 PM ]
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bigpeepa
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posted on June 24, 2004 06:23:31 PM new
cyberseller01, Nader brought you Geo. Bush a real gay marriage non-believer who is pushing for Federal laws against gay marriage. Remember Geo Bush is not pro-choice anything and is trying to mix his religious beliefs with federal law. John Kerry is doing his best to keep his religious beliefs out of his soon to be government. John Kerry is pro-choice. If gay marriage is important to you you better hang with John Kerry before its to late and you get Bush for another 4 years without worry of re-election. Another 4 years of Bush would be a disaster to people that believe federal laws should not be based on personal religious beliefs like Geo.Bush does.
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 24, 2004 09:09:42 PM new
LOL Kerry is against homosexual marriage also...
Nice try logansdad...
4 more years of President Bush and we can have this country back to where it belongs.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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profe51
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posted on June 24, 2004 09:28:34 PM new
What good is John Kerry?
If nothing else, what's good about Kerry is this: He can beat Bush. Nader can't. Not now, not ever. Nader will never be president. It isn't that I don't like him, it just won't ever be, and this election is too important for voters to flush their votes on anyone who doesn't have a prayer of ousting Bush. A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, that's why the right wants to see him on all the ballots he can make it to. Their crying about it being the democratic way is a lot of hypocritical hogwash. They know they can't win without Nader. Go ahead and vote for him. If you have any money you'd like to throw away along with your vote, I'll send you my PayPal info.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 24, 2004 09:46:07 PM new
from APP.com
Nader defends his run for presidency
Published in the Asbury Park Press 5/24/04
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
PRINCETON TOWNSHIP --
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader staunchly defended his run for the White House during a campaign stop last night, saying the two-party system offers voters no real choice so they "go for the least worst."
"And every year, they get worse," Nader said during an appearance in a private home.
Speaking with equal disdain for Republicans and Democrats, Nader bristled at suggestions that his candidacy would pull votes from the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, John Kerry, in 2004.
"The Democrats should stop whining and carping and focus their efforts on the 8 million Democrats who voted for Bush in the last election," Nader said. "No one wants to retire George W. Bush more than I do. I just don't trust the Democrats to do it."
Re-elect President Bush!!
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