Twelvepole
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posted on July 16, 2004 08:21:03 PM new
Gov't proposes shake-up of prostitution laws
Fri Jul 16, 8:30 AM ET
LONDON (AFP) - Brothels in Britain could be decriminalised and given official licences under proposals published by the government.
"Licensing arrangements and other relevant regulations could be set up so that local authorities could control prostitution in their areas," the Home Office said in a consultation paper.
The government proposed also registration of sex workers and "tolerance zones" for street prostitution.
The consultation paper said there was already enthusiasm for creating managed zones for prostitution in several parts of England, including Liverpool and Doncaster in the north.
"In both the places it is suggested that managed areas could bring significant benefits, providing greater safety and fewer stigmas for those who engage in prostitution by choice," the paper said.
"What is proposed is a formalised 'red light' area, where those involved in prostitution and their users are permitted to trade in a defined area regularly monitored by the police and provided with drop-in health services and other facilities."
But the government's report ruled out a previous proposal that call girls under 18 should no longer be treated as offenders.
"We believe there are compelling arguments for retaining this offence in respect of those under 18 to underline the message that prostitution involving children and young people is wholly unacceptable," the consultation paper said.
The government is asking the public to offer its views on the proposals by November.
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neroter12
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posted on July 16, 2004 08:35:41 PM new
Twelve would you like to see prostitution fully legalized here?
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 16, 2004 08:36:06 PM new
That should make all your girlfriends happy Twelve. 
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Linda_K
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posted on July 16, 2004 08:36:50 PM new
I wonder if they're proposing this because of their rising HIV infection rates. Read somewhere that they're getting much worse....and they are in many of the Asia countries also.
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parklane64
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posted on July 16, 2004 09:58:53 PM new
I wonder what type of criminalization they impose upon an infected person having sex with an unaware non-infected person? I wonder if there will be different licensure or tolerance zones? Shouldn't a non-stigmatized person be allowed a separate bathroom for health safety? You can rut your brains out, just let us preserve our life expectancy.
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cblev65252
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posted on July 17, 2004 03:30:13 AM new
Why shouldn't it be legalized? Personally, the thought of it makes me ill, but if prostitution is your profession of choice you should be able to do it. I think legalizing it will help to curb the spread of STDs and by making it a legal profession it would increase the tax base. Crime rates may also decrease as a good number of crimes are committed against prostitutes. Prostitution is not going to go away just because some see it as immoral. A surprising number of upstanding professional men use prostitutes and I'm willing to bet a surprising number of their wives know they do it. Just think, twelve, if they'd legalize prostitution, you could get into a whole other line of work. LOL!
It's on the same subject. . .I visited Galveston Island, TX a few years ago. They still have remnants of their old red light district and we toured an old brothel. It was interesting to see that instead of solid doors, each room was equipped with a screen door. Not much privacy there. There was also a small window cut out in the front where an assigned woman could look out and see who was at the door before letting them in. The madams room was wild. I don't think I could live in a place where the predominant color is red! Just walking through the place you could imagine all the girls in the 19th century sitting around waiting for a knock at the door. It was interesting, but creepy at the same time.
You know, we really are a bunch of prudes in this country. Not you, twelve. I'd never accuse you of being a prude. We know how much you love and respect women. 
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 05:22:49 AM new
Yes I would like to see it fully legalized here, the spread of STD's is horrendous, however I would insist the the health dept do inspections for safety.
Unlike the selling of drugs, this profession at least is a little beneficial.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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cblev65252
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posted on July 17, 2004 05:38:13 AM new
twelve
We really must stop agreeing altogether. People will begin to talk. Yes, health inspections should be mandatory. If the prostitutes (both male and female) won't go to them, they should go to the prostitutes. And, why shouldn't the prostitutes be made to pay taxes as well?
Cheryl
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neroter12
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posted on July 17, 2004 06:38:22 AM new
twelve, only problem is many of the prostitutes are on drugs. (do you really think they could stomach having some ugly smelly guy boinking them for a few dollars, otherwise?)
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replaymedia
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posted on July 17, 2004 07:12:43 AM new
Aren't prostitutes legal in Vegas? They have health regulations and regular screenings and drug tests. They may even have a union for all I know 
But if it works there, I don't see why it can't be implemented everywhere. Think of the taxes they could collect and the crime that would decrease.
Less drug use.
Less physical abuse.
Less rapes.
Less illegal prostitution (might still be some unregulated ones)
more tax money
More women with LEGAL jobs, unemplyment, maybe health insurance
Other than the morality issues, why NOT do it?
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 07:33:09 AM new
I don't where you frequent neroter but that is a myth perpetuated by TV
STD's are the real problem, but then regular inspections by health officials would stop any drug use also.
Many years ago one of the nicest bordellos I have ever seen was in Puerto Rico... don't know if it is still open, but was well cared for and the girls were very careful even back then... before aids...
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 07:35:06 AM new
No Las Vegas does not have legalized prostitution... that also is a myth.
Other parts of Nevada does, but even the famous Mustang Ranch closed...
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Helenjw
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posted on July 17, 2004 08:04:37 AM new
I just read a book which attempted to link contemporary lives with those of very distant, times. A part of the story concerned a single mother during what could be called a prehistoric period who had to prostitute herself in order to feed herself and her child. She relied on trading sex in the grass for a chicken from a stranger. Although she could love and respect a man as a father or son, when someone came along who really loved her, she perceived his sexual interest as an insult. Thousands of years later this ambiguity between sex and love has not changed -- only now, the government wants a piece of the action.
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 08:17:53 AM new
women mistake sex for love... the majority of men do not have that problem...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on July 17, 2004 08:26:01 AM new
Male neurons are very easily tweaked.
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crowfarm
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posted on July 17, 2004 08:30:47 AM new
My goodness, twelve knows a lot about whorehouses!Maybe she has personal experience!
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replaymedia
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posted on July 17, 2004 09:04:14 AM new
"No Las Vegas does not have legalized prostitution... that also is a myth. "
Are you certain of this? I've never been there, but my brother and his wife go every year. He says there are guys standing around on the street handing out business cards for their brothels.
You know 10% off your first visit and that kind of thing
I guess they could be for out of town places, but he never mentioned it. Probably afraid to ask with his wife standing right there!!!
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logansdad
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posted on July 17, 2004 10:43:32 AM new
Replay: "No Las Vegas does not have legalized prostitution... that also is a myth. "
Are you certain of this? I've never been there, but my brother and his wife go every year. He says there are guys standing around on the street handing out business cards for their brothels.
You will find your answer here:
http://lasvegas.about.com/cs/legalprostitution/a/Sex_workers.htm
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davebraun
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posted on July 17, 2004 11:00:59 AM new
There is no legal prostitution in Clark County Nevada. The cards you are speaking of are the same ones handed to ther tourists in Honolulu. Legal massage parlors where there may or may not be prostition and which are unregulated with regard to health.
Thank you but no thank you.
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rustygumbo
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posted on July 17, 2004 11:18:52 AM new
twelvepole - "Yes I would like to see it fully legalized here, the spread of STD's is horrendous, however I would insist the health dept do inspections for safety."
Wow, what a flip-flopper. A neo-con who wants government deregulation for prostitution, but also wants the health department to do inspections. Go figure.
"Unlike the selling of drugs, this profession at least is a little beneficial."
Selling drugs is beneficial to the drug dealer or pharmaceutical companies who peddle them to their users.
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 11:31:05 AM new
What the hell are you smoking gumby?
How do you figure flip flopping... explain that to me... I am betting you can't but go on and try...
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rustygumbo
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posted on July 17, 2004 01:44:35 PM new
TwelveFlipFlopperPole- You are taking the conservative ideals of deregulation towards prostitution. Then applying the liberal ideology of government regulation through the Health System to monitor prostitution. What is it going to be? Government regulation or non-regulation?
I hope that is clear enough for you!
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replaymedia
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posted on July 17, 2004 01:54:37 PM new
He wants it decriminalized, not deregulated. Deregulation and decriminalization are NOT the same thing.
Twelve already said he DOES want it regulated. Regulation includes health screens that keeps things "clean".
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rustygumbo
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posted on July 17, 2004 02:20:53 PM new
I stand corrected in my choice of words. However, this only exemplifies my point. Decrimilizing leads to regulation, and as I pointed out, using Health Care to monitor and regulate is a liberal ideology, not conservative.
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rustygumbo
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posted on July 17, 2004 02:23:52 PM new
And I'll add, by that reasoning, we should also deregulate everything. The environmental laws, gay marriage, drug laws, pedofilia laws, etc. Less government regulations is what Conservatism is all about, right??? or is it just for what the Conservatists want regulated?
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 05:22:40 PM new
Thank you replay for straightening gumby out..
Gumby if all that were decriminalized you and the other libs would have a fit...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 06:41:45 PM new
Maybe she has personal experience
More of a man than you'll ever be or dream of being with crowfart...
and yes I have visited some brothels in my time, I don't deny that...
I am not ashamed of it either.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 17, 2004 06:48:41 PM new
I'm surprised you'd need to Twelve.
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crowfarm
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posted on July 17, 2004 07:00:13 PM new
Twelve says,"More of a man than you'll ever be or dream of being with crowfart"
Twelve! You mean your dick is bigger than your brain!
Or can't ya tell the difference?
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 17, 2004 07:36:25 PM new
My such a nice come back you must be proud...
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