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 Bear1949
 
posted on July 23, 2004 10:31:57 AM new
The Boldness of the President

Reading the report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, we couldn’t help thinking of Justice Scalia’s great dissent in Morrison v. Olson. It’s the case in which the Supreme Court upheld the idea of an independent prosecutor. Justice Scalia warned of the danger that unleashing an uncontrollable prosecutor against a president could shake his courage. “Perhaps the boldness of the President himself will not be affected — though I am not so sure,” he warned.

Well, look now to what the 9/11 report has to say about the man to whom President Clinton, under attack by an independent counsel,delegated so much in respect of national security, Samuel “Sandy” Berger. The report cites a 1998 meeting between Mr. Berger and the director of central intelligence, George Tenet, at which Mr. Tenet presented a plan to capture Osama bin Laden.

“In his meeting with Tenet, Berger focused most, however, on the question of what was to be done with Bin Ladin if he were actually captured. He worried that the hard evidence against Bin Ladin was still skimpy and that there was a danger of snatching him and bringing him to the United States only to see him acquitted,” the report says, citing a May 1, 1998, Central Intelligence Agency memo summarizing the weekly meeting between Messrs. Berger and Tenet.

In June of 1999, another plan for action against Mr. bin Laden was on the table. The potential target was a Qaeda terrorist camp in Afghanistan known as Tarnak Farms. The commission report released yesterday cites Mr. Berger’s “handwritten notes on the meeting paper” referring to “the presence of 7 to 11 families in the Tarnak Farms facility, which could mean 60-65 casualties.”According to the Berger notes, “if he responds, we’re blamed.”

On December 4, 1999, the National Security Council’s counterterrorism coordinator, Richard Clarke, sent Mr. Berger a memo suggesting a strike in the last week of 1999 against Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. Reports the commission: “In the margin next to Clarke’s suggestion to attack Al Qaeda facilities in the week before January 1, 2000, Berger wrote, ‘no.’

In August of 2000, Mr. Berger was presented with another possible plan for attacking Mr. bin Laden.This time, the plan would be based on aerial surveillance from a “Predator” drone. Reports the commission: “In the memo’s margin,Berger wrote that before considering action, ‘I will want more than verified location: we will need, at least, data on pattern of movements to provide some assurance he will remain in place.’ ”

In other words, according to the commission report, Mr. Berger was presented with plans to take action against the threat of Al Qaeda four separate times — Spring 1998, June 1999, December 1999, and August 2000. Each time, Mr. Berger was an obstacle to action. Had he been a little less reluctant to act, a little more open to taking pre-emptive action, maybe the 2,973 killed in the September 11, 2001, attacks would be alive today.

It really doesn’t matter now what was in the documents from the National Archives that Mr. Berger says he inadvertently misplaced. The evidence in the commission’s report yesterday is more than enough to embarrass him thoroughly.He is a hardworking, warm man with a wonderful family, but his background as a trade lawyer and his dovish, legalistic and political instincts made him, in retrospect,the tragically wrong man to be making national security decisions for America in wartime.That Senator Kerry had Mr. Berger as a campaign foreign policy adviser even before the archives scandal is enough to raise doubts about the senator’s judgment.

Neither Mr.Berger nor any other American is to blame for the deaths of Americans on September 11, 2001. The moral fault lies only with the terrorists, not with the victims.With the war still on,one can’t help but to ponder who might best defend the country going forward, and how.

The commission’s report contains plenty of other valuable information. Many of the recommendations — to move operations functions to the Department of Defense from the CIA, to speed the transition between administrations so that key defense positions are not left vacant, to stress “widespread political participation”in the Arab and Muslim world,to declassify the intelligence budget, to provide a written national security transition handover memo when administrations change — make sense.

Other aspects of the report, including the absence of serious recommendations for dealing with the terrorist threats from Syria or Iran, are harder to understand. The report is being taken seriously for its political ramifications for the Bush administration and for its policy recommendations. But perhaps its greatest value is as a history — more, a sad epitaph — of the Clinton-Berger administration.

Why was it Mr. Berger rather than President Clinton himself making all these judgment calls? As the report puts it, these decisions “were made by the Clinton administration under extremely difficult domestic political circumstances.Opponents were seeking the president’s impeachment.”

One can blame the special prosecutor law or Mr. Clinton for agreeing to name a special prosecutor, or one can blame the underlying reckless behavior by Mr. Clinton that got him into the “difficult domestic political circumstances.” Or one can blame the Republican Congress. No matter what one’s view of the underlying merits, it is hard to deny that one of the costs to the country was a preoccupied president.There’s no guarantee that, in the absence of the scandal and the prosecutor, Mr. Clinton would have acted against Mr. bin Laden. But the chances would have been at least somewhat increased, and it would have been Mr. Clinton rather than Mr. Berger making the call.

The boldness of the president, in Justice Scalia’s phrase,had been lost,and the man left in charge, Mr. Berger, was not up to it. When we think of the repairs that need to be made in the coming months, it is of this: The need to carry on our national politics with an eye to protecting the boldness of our leaders and particularly in a time of war. It is something to think about amid one of the bitterest, most adhominem political seasons in the history of the Republic.

http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/07/23&ID=Ar01000






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 crowfarm
 
posted on July 23, 2004 10:39:47 AM new
Sounds like Sandy Berger is an intelligent thoughtful man who carefully weighed the consequences of attacking bin Laden (whose family has tight ties to the Bush family although I hope THAT didn't stop him) and civilians. The report neither blames Clinton nor exonerates him completely....same applies to Bush.


Poobear, you really should read beyond the headlines.

 
 logansdad
 
posted on July 23, 2004 10:49:24 AM new
The same can be said of the information Bush used to go to war vs Iraq. Look at all the information Bush received....it was all wrong.


Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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 Linda_K
 
posted on July 23, 2004 11:23:21 AM new
Sheds light on why he decided to steal the other documents.....don't let the 9-11 commission have the full picture - remove damaging evidence.


I said it before, and I'll say it again... clinton dropped the ball on protecting this country. We can't put another 'hand wringer' in the WH. We might not be able to prevent another attack....but at least I prefer having one there that IS willing to take action against our enemies.






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Those are only two reasons why we need to:

Re-elect President Bush!!
 
 crowfarm
 
posted on July 23, 2004 11:52:29 AM new
Yes, linda, and again he's willing to take action against our enemies as long as SOMEBODY ELSE DOES THE FIGHTING because he was a coward!

 
 logansdad
 
posted on July 23, 2004 11:53:41 AM new
Given the fact that Bush has had 3 years to find Bin Laden, why has he not found him?

Linda, it is so easy in hind sight to say what Clinton should have done? If Bush wants to take out Bin Laden so badly, why not just nuke the entire Middle East? That would surely take care of Bin Laden and the terrorist network.




Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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All Things Just Keep Getting Better
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
 
 parklane64
 
posted on July 23, 2004 12:12:14 PM new
Clinton did not drop the ball. He was too busy enjoying the heady pleasure of being President to take any action that might prove controversial. It was a decision to avoid any pro-active move to avoid the barbs of detractors. What a shallow character.

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 logansdad
 
posted on July 23, 2004 12:57:03 PM new
I guess we can blame Moussaoui


NEW YORK - Al-Qaida might have called off the Sept. 11 terrorists attacks on the United States had the plot’s masterminds known of the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th hijacker, in the United States in mid-August 2001, according to the report issued by the 9/11 commission.

The 567-page report, the result of a 20-month investigation, details a host of missteps by government agencies and recommends the appointment of a new intelligence czar to help avoid future mistakes.

Moussaoui, a French-Moroccan radical who is believed to have been training as a pilot for the attacks, was arrested in Minnesota on Aug. 17 for overstaying his visa.

In a footnote to the commission’s report, issued Thursday, the investigators said that chief organizer Ramzi Binalshibh stated in a Feb. 14, 2004, interview with U.S. interrogators that had “KSM [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al-Qaida operations chief] known that Moussaoui had been arrested, he would have canceled the attacks."

Based on the CIA interrogation of Binalshibh on Feb. 14, as well as others on Nov. 7, 2002, and Feb. 27, 2003, as well as an interrogation of Mohammed on July 2, 2003, the report draws the conclusion that "publicity about Moussaoui's arrest and a possible hijacking threat might have derailed the plot."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5497606/




Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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All Things Just Keep Getting Better
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
 
 blairwitch
 
posted on July 23, 2004 01:02:27 PM new
Berger is a great man, and will fit in Kerry's administration quite nicely.


BTW you cant blame berger for 9/11. The airlines are to blame. Instead of being so cheap they should have put in tamper resistant cockpit doors ages ago.

 
 logansdad
 
posted on July 23, 2004 01:17:22 PM new
The airlines are to blame. Instead of being so cheap they should have put in tamper resistant cockpit doors ages ago.

After the Pam Am bombing over Scotland, investigators suggested airlines invest in bomb proof luggage containers and the airline wiggled their way out of it because it would cost to much money. It always comes down to money and companies being greedy. I guess the airlines care more about money than they do about passenger safety.


Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
------------------------------
All Things Just Keep Getting Better
------------------------------


We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
 
 Bear1949
 
posted on July 23, 2004 03:51:25 PM new
So many defensive libs,,,,,


"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
 
 ebayauctionguy
 
posted on July 23, 2004 04:20:36 PM new
Berger is just another example why it isn't safe to vote democrat. Bin Ladin and his buddies should've been taken out years ago. 3,000 innocent people paid the price.



 
 logansdad
 
posted on July 23, 2004 04:21:18 PM new
So many defensive libs,,,,,


This coming from a conservative who can't believe the 9/11 commission and a 3 year investigation did not place the blame on anyone.


Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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All Things Just Keep Getting Better
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
 
 
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