Helenjw
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posted on July 31, 2004 07:30:45 AM new
Would you sacrifice the life of your son or daughter to secure Falluja?
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 31, 2004 07:33:30 AM new
Helen
You already know my answer to that question: NO!
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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yellowstone
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posted on July 31, 2004 09:14:49 AM new
General George Patton said it best when he spoke these words; Don't go and be a hero and die for your country, let some other sonofabitch be a hero and die for his. Or was it George C. Scott playing Patton?
As far as I'm concerned the more dead heros we can make for Allah the better.
So in answer to your question, because I beleive it is not a cut and dry issue and because of the immortal words of Patton, I would answer that I would give my sons and daughters the best training available to be able to complete the mission.
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profe51
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posted on July 31, 2004 09:30:49 AM new
To secure Falluja? No.
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Beware the man of one book.
- Thomas Aquinas
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Linda_K
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posted on July 31, 2004 09:59:25 AM new
Would you sacrifice the life of your son or daughter to secure Falluja?
This is the question Michael Moore asked Bill O'Reilly to answer during his interview with him at the DNC convention.
O'Reilly said he'd go himself.
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My answer. It's not a parents choice to make. These are young men and women who are quite capable of making their own decisions....and they have.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
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profe51
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posted on July 31, 2004 10:04:24 AM new
Whole lotta dodgin' goin on here, so far I don't see any yes answers. Imagine that.
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Beware the man of one book.
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replaymedia
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posted on July 31, 2004 10:22:47 AM new
As usual, Linda is correct. NO ONE is sending their children over there to die. These grown adults are VOLUNTEERING to go of their own will.
NO ONE, children or otherwise has been forced to go. There is no draft.
Not only that, but as we work on our second year in Iraq, there are fewer and fewer members of the military that didn't sign on knowing EXACTLY what the situation was and literally expecting to go to war.
Or ar you saying the new recruits that joined a year ago didn't know about Iraq?
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logansdad
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posted on July 31, 2004 10:48:58 AM new
I wonder if the Bush twins wanted to serve in Iraq, if Daddy Bush would let them go?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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yellowstone
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posted on July 31, 2004 10:53:33 AM new
Replaymedia
You are correct that these young men and women are VOLUNTEERING to go. I was at an estate sale last Saturday talking a woman who told me that her 2 sons dropped out of college to sign up with the Marines knowing full well that would probably be sent in to harms way.
As I said, it's not a cut and dry issue, furthermore, YES or NO is not the only answers to the OP's question, nor was it asked for.
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:00:17 AM new
I thought Helen's post said 'would you SACRIFICE your son or daughter', not would you 'SEND your son or daughter'. Good question Helen! 
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:08:52 AM new
Then, since there appears to be some confusion with the question, reword it: Do you think the U.S. should sacrifice the lives of your son or daughter in order to secure Falluji? That IS a yes or no questions.
My answer is still "no".
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:14:34 AM new
Helen's original question is a yes or no questions. When you say you approve of what this administration is doing over in Iraq, when you say our children should stay there, when you say we must make life better for the Iraqi people you are sacrificing your children's lives. Without the approval of the people we voted into the House, people we have the right to contact, our children may not be over there. You have given the war and what is happening now your stamp of approval. You have sacrificed our children.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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Linda_K
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:14:39 AM new
Again, it wasn't helen's question...it was Michael Moore's.
And also again....a parent DOES NOT CHOOSE
for their child so the question starts on a false premise.
The thing you anti-war people don't appear to understand is that all those going into any military action do NOT do so with the thought they are going to die....be sacrificed. They know, full well, there's always a chance they may be injured or killed.
They're much more positive than those who don't support what our military stands for.....or those who don't believe this country is worth fighting for. Those who don't believe promoting democracy around the world will bring us a much safer world in the long run. Just like J.F. Kenney said was important to us all.
As my son said to me, when I expressed my concerns about what he was chosing to do, "Mom, we're trained to deal with the situation and we're going to go in and get the job done." That's positive thinking....not scared thinking....only contemplating the worse will happen/could happen. But rather they go in with a 'can do' frame of mind.
There were NO reports of our soldiers fighting in and around Fallujah deserting as they were faced with their decisions to go in to that most dangerous area. They make the choice to put their own lives on the line.
So who are those of you who use them and their choices to always be looking for a way to discount their personal choices? This time....it's would you sacrifice your child. Most parents would agree....whether they do or don't wish to see their child go into a danger zone....that it's their childs place to make that decision.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Linda_K
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:17:49 AM new
When you say you approve of what this administration is doing over in Iraq, when you say our children should stay there, when you say we must make life better for the Iraqi people you are sacrificing your children's lives.
kerry says our children will stay there too. Notice how hawkish he's becoming lately? 
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
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twig125silver
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:22:19 AM new
My daughter chose to join the Army. Just as her father did. Just as I did.
She was no longer active when we went to war, however, we knew it would happen eventually. Did I want my only daughter to go to war and possibly be killed? Of course not. Was I happy she enlisted? Not really, but I was secretly PROUD of the choice SHE made.
TerryAnn
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 31, 2004 11:48:12 AM new
Come on Linda. Then, would you sacrifice your own life to secure Fallujah?
[ edited by kraftdinner on Jul 31, 2004 11:49 AM ]
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:04:28 PM new
Still waiting for the "yes" or "no". The only reason Kerry is keeping them there is because the mess that Bush started has to be finished. Our children will be better equiped to handle the situation over there with Kerry.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:05:52 PM new
One more thing, our children't DIDN'T make this choice. Bush did. Do you think for one minute your children wanted a war in Iraq just so they could go and risk their lives? By saying it is your childrens' choice is saying that they wanted this war.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:10:19 PM new
Right on Cheryl!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:21:13 PM new
Maybe Linda's ticked at Helen's "plagiarizing" a Michael Moore question, so Helen, if you're listening, maybe you need to start each post in the stylings of Reamond and state that your post may or may not be an original thought.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:36:21 PM new
Come on Linda. Then, would you sacrifice your own life to secure Fallujah?
[ edited by kraftdinner on Jul 31, 2004 11:49 AM ]
KD, I'm surprised you don't remember the number of times I've stated if I could I would serve.
My son has chosen to serve....he lives with MY own blood flowing in his veins....he's a HUGE part of me. And while I, just like every parent worries about their child getting hurt...becoming ill, we believe you can't run around being scared all the time. You need to stand up and take action...support what you believe strongly in. We believe strongly in America....it's values...it's way of life.
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CBlev65252
posted on July 31, 2004 12:04:28 PM new
Still waiting for the "yes" or "no". The only reason Kerry is keeping them there is because the mess that Bush started has to be finished. Our children will be better equiped to handle the situation over there with Kerry[/b].
Your party is desperate.....and fully supports kerry's flip-flops on the issues that you, youselves, don't even support - like staying there and getting this situation more stable...helping Iraq form a new government, etc. He wants to send MORE troops in there.
If you'd honestly look at some of what he 'hints' at doing....you'll see they very much follow what's already being done there....already been planned to take place there.
And read his most RECENT statements....where he's backing down from 'we won't go in alone' to now saying he would. It's the say-anything-to-win campaign...to heck with the lifetime convictions he's had.
Now that it's time to get elected...kerry doesn't want Americans to think he'd be an anti-war President because he's aware the majority don't want an anti-war president.
He doesn't even have the courage of his life long convictions like say Howard Dean or your Mr. K do. I say "develop a backbone, Mr. kerry and quit trying to have it both ways."
I especially laugh at this statement you made.
Our children will be better equiped to handle the situation over there with Kerry. Oh yea...better equipped by voting to NOT appropriate the funding for their needs.
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CBlev65252
posted on July 31, 2004 12:05:52 PM new
One more thing, our children't DIDN'T make this choice. Bush did. Do you think for one minute your children wanted a war in Iraq just so they could go and risk their lives? By saying it is your childrens' choice is saying that they wanted this war.
No that's just perverted/twisted thinking. And shows you're total lack of being able to comprehend that those who sign up to serve are QUITE aware of what joining the military involves....and what that means could happen. No matter how much you lefties try to make them look so dumb as to not understand what they're function/job/duty is all about.
They don't get trained to fight so they are more qualified to go to college.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:46:57 PM new
Why do you think that you would die in Falluja?
Have you no faith in your own abilities to stay alive?
Better question is would you go? And my answer is YES...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
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kiara
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:52:27 PM new
Kerry’s suggested plans for handling the situation in Iraq have been on his website for months now and it’s Bush that started to copy what Kerry said.
Are you feeling okay lately, Linda_K?
I'm asking because I notice that you're peppering your posts with way more in the last while. When people do that it looks like they are kind of on the edge just ready to snap.
Just wondering....... I know Kerry has been looking pretty strong and I hope it's not getting to you too much.
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 31, 2004 12:56:59 PM new
Speaking of someone that has snapped... how you doing kiara.... they let you out from the hospital now and home again?
Your doctor know that your visiting the Internet again and in particular chat rooms?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Homosexuality is a choice that can be corrected...
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Helenjw
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posted on July 31, 2004 01:06:42 PM new
Lol Kraftdinner. Linda said I plagiarized a question???? Hahaha
Yesterday, I said, "Don't blame the messenger". Did someone say that before I said it? LOL!
Anyway, as Profe pointed out, I don't see any agreement to my question...just hedges. The point is that few young people will volunteer to put their lives on the line for this war, with George Bush as the Commander in Chief. Few parents will encourage their children to do so either.
[ edited by Helenjw on Jul 31, 2004 01:10 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on July 31, 2004 01:07:52 PM new
Yes, kiara, one probably does notice there are more laughing faces in my recent posts.
I have at the continued hyprocrisy the left continues to show. Here's kerry...a man they want to see elected...and almost ever position kerry ONCE supported he's changed his mind/position on.
I find that, and those that support him but not his 'newly found' positions VERY FUNNY.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 31, 2004 01:08:49 PM new
LoL Twelve! LOL! LOL! Was that ever a funny insult you made to Kiara! LMHO! LMAO! Are you ever quick! L0L! LoL!
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kiara
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posted on July 31, 2004 01:12:48 PM new
Awwww....... twelvepole.
That lame little remark coming from someone who couldn't even snap a female's garter.
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Linda_K
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posted on July 31, 2004 01:14:35 PM new
The point is that few young people will volunteer to put their lives on the line for this war, with George Bush as the Commander in Chief.
That point has already been proven incorrect. As posted before the service has met their enrollments even after the Iraq war began. Re-enlists...even after the war began.
You anti-war types just can't understand that there are people who are willing to put their lives on the line for what they believe in. And you prove that by supporting a man who goes against what you wanted to see....HIS [kerry's] vote TO GO TO WAR with Iraq.
Few parents will encourage their children to do so either.
Parents support and encourage their children to do what THEY choose to do.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
Re-elect President Bush!!
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kiara
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posted on July 31, 2004 01:16:07 PM new
Linda_K, Kerry changes his position as events change. That's a thinking man.
Not like Bush who decided to "stay the course" when everyone else in the entire world has told him it's the wrong course to take. Look at the mess he made.
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