posted on August 10, 2004 09:39:12 AM new
World Net Daily
Joseph Farah
Why McCain defends Kerry
Why would John McCain characterize the SWIFT Boat vets commercial about John Kerry as "dishonest and dishonorable"?
Why would he ask President Bush to denounce it?
Why would he say something similar was "pulled" on him when he seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 2000?
Americans are supposed to respect Sen. John McCain because he is a war hero. But is he? And why is he so determined to defend John Kerry's dishonorable activities during and after the Vietnam War?
Now let me begin by saying McCain suffered greatly during his five years of captivity in the "Hanoi Hilton." But his horrific experiences do not entitle him to stretch the truth about his captivity at the hands of North Vietnamese Communists, nor to deceive Americans about his bravery and heroism.
When the Navy pilot was shot down over a lake near Hanoi, his captors did not know who he was – John McCain, son of the admiral in charge of the Pacific fleet. McCain was seriously injured in his ejection and in need of medical attention. In exchange for what passes as first-class care in Vietnam, McCain talked. He told the North Vietnamese about his father. He told them about the chain of command. He described himself as one of the "very best pilots" in the Navy.
Such behavior by a POW is strictly frowned upon in the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the military code of conduct.
"OK," you say, "McCain should be given a pass for this because he was badly hurt. Wasn't his behavior at the Hanoi Hilton honorable after he recovered from his wounds?"
No, not exactly. While serving as a POW, McCain was one of the captives who agreed to be used for propaganda purposes by the enemy. In fact, some argue that an interview he gave to a communist publication – detailing an accident aboard his ship, problems with low morale among U.S. servicemen, the chain of command in the U.S. Navy and other pertinent information – went far beyond mere propaganda and crossed the line into disclosing military intelligence secrets.
On June 5, 1969, the Washington Post carried a story titled, "Reds Say PW Songbird is Pilot Son of Admiral." The article states that, "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner."
Worse yet, many years later, when both John McCain and John Kerry were serving in the U.S. Senate, they teamed up to betray the families of the POWs and MIAs in favor of sucking up to the murderous Communist Vietnamese regime.
More than any other two men in America, McCain and Kerry orchestrated the cover-up of what became of our Vietnam POWs and MIAs.
As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW-MIA Affairs, Kerry gave Hanoi a clean bill of health with regard to credible claims Vietnam was still holding U.S. prisoners of war. Kerry ensured the committee voted that no U.S. servicemen remained there, angering many families of missing servicemen.
McCain served along with Kerry on that committee. According to Ted Samply, writing in the January 1997 issue of U.S. Veteran Dispatch, McCain enjoyed dismal relations with many POW-MIA families and activists. McCain said some harsh words about those who accused the U.S. government of knowingly leaving POWs behind. In fact, he called such people "the most craven, most cynical and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam." McCain's presence on the committee and his willingness to go along with Kerry ensured that the final report would be politically bulletproof.
Kerry got his reward. A year later, Hanoi announced it was awarding Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the chief executive officer of Colliers, was Kerry's cousin.
One wonders what McCain's reward might be? What was in the cover-up for him? Why has he become an apologist for John Kerry's despicable and dishonorable record in Vietnam and, worse, his actions afterward?
Maybe it's just something about the character of John McCain. Maybe birds of a feather just flock together. Maybe this is why you should take anything McCain says about Kerry with a grain of salt.
posted on August 10, 2004 09:49:02 AM new
I wonder how the attack by republicans against men who have fought , been wounded, held prisoner.......
I wonder how this affects the morale of our good , brave men and women who are fighting for us now.
Might affect the vote when they see how little the Republican party cares about their service.
posted on August 10, 2004 10:27:40 AM new
I think part of the problem with McCain's recent statements, in regards to kerry's actions during his short 4 month time in VN, is that HE wasn't there either. He's just like everyone else.....he has an opinion that doesn't carry any more weight than anyone elses.
Upon McCains' return home he spoke out about the actions of kerry and others like him.... how those actions affected and were used DAILY against our POW's who were still be held hostage by our enemies. He wasn't supporting kerry's actions one bit then...nor those of Jane Fonda and her ilk.
taken from a Cal Thomas article on Townhall.com 8-9-04
[i]That TV commercial by the swift boat veterans, which Democratic Party lawyers are attempting to persuade TV stations not to run, has been attacked by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. McCain calls the commercial "dishonest and dishonorable."
Yet McCain has criticized Kerry's anti-war activities. In a May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News and World Report, McCain wrote that testimony by Kerry and others before Sen. J. William Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee was "the most effective propaganda (my North Vietnamese captors) had to use against us."
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We don't need a man acting as Commander-In-Chief who has aided our enemies, as kerry did....at the expense of our soldiers well being.
posted on August 10, 2004 10:43:57 AM new
Linda, the child torture lover says,
""[i]That TV commercial by the swift boat veterans, which Democratic Party lawyers are attempting to persuade TV stations not to run, has been attacked by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. McCain calls the commercial "dishonest and dishonorable."
Yet McCain has criticized Kerry's anti-war activities. In a May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News and World Report, McCain wrote that testimony by Kerry and others before Sen. J. William Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee was "the most effective propaganda (my North Vietnamese captors) had to use against us."
Uh , linda once again with your blind hatred has bit you in the butt.
Those two paragraphs have NOTHING to do with each other . McCain is NOT flip flopping as YOU are trying to make him out to be.
In the first paragraph McCain attacks the COMMERCIAL as dishonest and dishonorable which it is.
The second paragraph is a DIFFERENT issue. You're using a 20 year old opinion on a DIFFERENT subject....Kerry's opposition(along with millions of other people)to the Vietnam war.
But, of course, you won't answer my posts(must have me on ignore) because you can't handle me or the truth.
posted on August 10, 2004 11:07:01 AM new
reamond - You asked why McCain would stay/support the Republican Party. He's made many statements about why he supports the Republican platform.....here is just one. Taken from the WashingtonPost this past June.
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Introducing Bush at Fort Lewis, McCain expressed unqualified support for Bush's Iraq policy and for his handling of the war against terrorism.
"It's a big thing, this war, a fight between two ideologies completely opposed to each other," McCain told the troops.
"It's a fight between right and wrong, good and evil. It's no more ambiguous than that."
And if America's terrorist enemies acquire the chemical, biological and nuclear weapons they seek, "this war will become an even bigger thing," McCain said. "It will become a fight for survival."
Turning to the continuing conflict in Iraq, McCain said, "Whether [former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein] possessed the terrible weapons that would have turned this war into a fight for survival or not, he had used them before and was, I have no doubt, firmly determined to possess them again someday -- for what terrible purpose we can only imagine with dread."
McCain hailed Bush's stewardship of the nation after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"He has led this country with moral clarity about the stakes involved and with firm resolve to achieve unconditional victory," McCain told the assembled soldiers. "There have been ups and downs, as there are in any war. [n]But like you, he has not wavered in his determination to protect this country and to make the world a better, safer, freer place[/b]. You will not yield, nor will he." The Washington Post Company
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on August 10, 2004 11:10:55 AM newOf the 3500 members of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth only one actually served under Kerry.
I don't know that to be true or not....but the words of his own commanding officers will hold a lot of weight too. They all have spoken out against him too.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on August 10, 2004 11:27:12 AM newI don't know that to be true or not....but the words of his own commanding officers will hold a lot of weight too. They all have spoken out against him too.
Bill O'Reilly had the "one" on his show last night and reminded him several times that he was the ONLY one in the group that served under Kerry. The only first hand negatives this guy had were that they accidently killed a young boy when they fired on a boat that had Viet Cong in it, the guy claims that Kerry inflated the kill number and didn't mention the young boy. A real big deal in a combat zone, that is, if this guy is even telling the truth.
And Kerry's commanding officers had nothing but glowing reports about Kerry 35 years ago, it is only recently that any negative remarks have been offered and they have all been about Kerry's opposition to the war in which he bravely volunteered for and was a decorated hero in.
Bush on the other hand is a proven coward and deserter.
I wouldn't blame any soldier that refused to serve under Bush.
posted on August 10, 2004 12:26:42 PM new
LOL reamond - Are you just ignoring the fact that McCain is campaigning FOR/IN SUPPORT OF President Bush? They're even being seen together....
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I previously posted a link where kerry's commanding officers were stating THEY - [three of them] wanted kerry OUT of VN...and their reasons why. But here's another one of kerry's commanding officers stating he wanted him OUT of VN, with audio tape provided on another LIE kerry's been caught in....and has denied...but now that proof shows differently.....kerry has 'NO comment'.
http://kmclive.com/
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on August 10, 2004 12:59:04 PM new
I can't believe you are still seriously discussing a smear that has been further exaggerated by a so called news site such as World Net Daily.
World Net Daily, Free Republic and NewsMax all publish such far right propaganda that by comparison they make Fox news seem fair and balanced.
posted on August 10, 2004 01:44:54 PM newOf the 3500 members of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth only one actually served under Kerry.
But in Coastal Division the boats did NOT operate singally. They operated In groups of 3 to 6 boats. All of kerrys actions were witnessed by his equals or superiors.
19 of 23 officers who served with kerry oppose his candidacy
One thing that people don't appreciate is that Kerry and everybody else over there was lucky to have a moment alone, even in the latrine. Someone was always watching. Your commander always knows what you are doing and you are responsible for his knowing so accurately. Everyone in your unit knows what you are doing.
These were kerrys fellow officers in command
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Must be why McCain is joining Pres Bush this week.
McCain to join president Bush on the campaign trail this week
KENNEBUNKPORT, MAINE - Sen. John McCain will campaign this week with President Bush in Florida, New Mexico and his home state of Arizona, Bush's campaign said Saturday.
McCain was Bush's rival for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination, but he is a powerful ally for Bush as the 2004 campaign focuses ever more intensely on national security.
McCain can help Bush counter Democrat John Kerry's frequent references to his service in Vietnam, because McCain returned from that conflict a war hero after 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war.
McCain called an ad last week in which some Vietnam vets who served near Kerry criticized his military service as "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.
The White House declined. The spot was produced by an independent group backing Bush.
posted on August 10, 2004 02:36:52 PM new
Anyone typing in the names Thomas Wright and Dwyer can read first hand their own statements about kerry and wanting him OUT of VN.
radio talk show host Kevin McCullough has the exclusive:
Lt. Thomas Wright admitted to me on the air today several exclusive and revealing looks at the Vietnam service of John Kerry.
Wright's first claim was that as his former commanding officer, Wright frequently had to confront Kerry over willful disobedience to orders aboard Swift Boat patrols.
On frequent occasions Wright stated that Kerry would randomly fire at "things he thought were moving" along the shoreline. Wright stated that the protocol was only to fire when the unit was receiving hostile fire. Wright explained that part of the Swift Boat patrol's goal was to develop contacts with non-combatants living along the rivers being patrolled.
Wright pointed out that firing on the people you were meant to develop contacts with generally worked against the goals.
Wright also points out that when confronted about his defiance of patrol rules, Kerry would make claims of not hearing the orders, knowing the protocols or "thinking that he saw something".
Wright's boldest claim was that after Kerry had in fact received his third purple heart, Wright along with two other ranking officers basically flat out asked Kerry to leave Vietnam. The reason being his behavior continually put the group in greater vulnerability and danger.
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There are tons of links that say the same thing.
Words are straight from his commanding officers mouths.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on August 10, 2004 05:01:37 PM new
There are many McCain republicans. I know many republicans who are voting for Kerry this year who supported McCain in 2000. These voters trust McCain when he supports kerry against these false ads.
posted on August 11, 2004 10:58:54 AM newBut in Coastal Division the boats did NOT operate singally. They operated In groups of 3 to 6 boats. All of kerrys actions were witnessed by his equals or superiors.
Yeah that makes a huge difference. Just like someone in a tank during the Battle of the Bulge can tell you what went on inside another tank.
Supposedly these men were observing Kerry during a fire fight instead of paying attention to and firing at the enemy. A really believable situation.
These guys are liars and belong to a republican group started by that other liar and criminal Richard Nixon and his hack named O'Neil.
Bottom line is that this "patriotic" group remains silent about Bush's desertion during time of war, and lies about a true war hero.
Are these the types of people we want in control of our country - Bushy deserters and liars?
posted on August 11, 2004 03:09:22 PM new
According to the Drudge report today book sales for Unfit For Command, are lookin' pretty good.
The book hit #2 on the AMAZON sales chart on the eve of the Kerry acceptance speech in Boston.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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posted on August 11, 2004 09:48:14 PM new
Don't get your hopes up toomuch, Reamond. Although I, too, would dearly like to see Bush out of office, the fact remains that it is rare for a sitting president in time of war to be voted out.
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"Bad temper is its own scourge. Few things are more bitter than to feel bitter. A man's venom poisons himself more than his victim." --Charles Buxton
posted on August 12, 2004 11:00:41 AM new
No president has won a second term with numbers as low as Bush's.
I don't think the American people view Bush as a war president. The majority now view him as an idiot and an incompetent that allowed us to get sucker punched by a group of terrorists.
But whatever the voters' question may be, the majority now find Bush is not the answer.
