posted on September 18, 2004 01:10:55 PM new
From a friend--something to think about:
"I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here, but I have to get it off my chest…we’ve already had one back-door draft. We’re running short on reservists. Reenlistment in the national guard is plummeting. Can you come up with a scenario under a shrub second term that we wouldn’t have a general draft??? I sure can’t. I heard a great suggestion for swaying voters:
"Go down to your local recruiting office and pick up a stack of DD4s (army enlistment forms, I think that’s the right name/number). They’ll love to give them to ya. Take the forms with you everywhere. Whenever you’re in a conversation with a young man or a parent who is pro-bush and is rambling on about supporting our troops, calmly say something like, “that’s an honorable stand,” and hand one to them…then watch their face go white. I haven’t done it, but the person I heard it from said it sways a LOT of voters. One of Mary's brothers is draft age and the other will be shortly after the election. She won’t vote for bush because of it."
posted on September 18, 2004 01:17:34 PM new
Regardless of what Bush has promised and said. I still feel a draft will happen soon after the elections are over. It will be followed by a tax increase 6 months later.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 18, 2004 01:26:52 PM new
Draft? Has kerry mentioned a draft? I've read he says we need to recruit 40,000 more military but hadn't read he was going to do it with a draft. hmmmm.
I know I haven't read anywhere that Bush is planning a draft. I have read that the Bush campaign has been asked if they'll call up more reservists...but the campaign denied it was even being discussed.
Must be another scare tactic on the part of the dems. They LOVE scaring old people about losing their Social Security come election time too.
But blame the shortage of troops on clinton cutting them almost in 1/2 during his 'reign'.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 18, 2004 03:40:46 PM new
Come on Linda do not be so dense. Of course your pal Bush will never admit to wanting a draft. The war is going great over in Iraq according to him. If Bush ever mentioned a draft BEFORE THE ELECTION it would mean his downfall.
We shall see what happens after the election and how many of things Bush says now turn out to be lies - assuming he is reelected.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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"We heard one word over and over again at the Democrat Convention: Hope. But there is a problem, my friends: Hope is not a strategy. Hope doesn't protect you from terrorists, hope doesn't lower your taxes, hope doesn't help you buy a home, and hope doesn't ensure quality education for your kids. As the book of James reminds us, 'It is not enough just to have faith. Faith that does not show itself by good deeds is no faith at all.' You see, it's results that matter; and President Bush does not just talk about hope, he stands on a record of putting hope into action for America." --Michael Steele Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
posted on September 18, 2004 04:48:53 PM new
Kerry feels we need more troops in Iraq.
So he may want a draft.
You demos would do well to get those draft forms early.
Wouldn't want to be the last on your block to help Kerry out,If he gets in.
Would You?
posted on September 18, 2004 05:09:50 PM new
Why would we need a draft? People are still signing up in droves and many are re-enlisting. I haven't heard about any shortage of troops.
Show me stats that say military numbers are down.
And no, I DON'T mean the 1000 dead ones. As sad as that is, it's a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the total numbers of servicemen out there.
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posted on September 18, 2004 06:29:02 PM newWhy would we need a draft? People are still signing up in droves and many are re-enlisting. I haven't heard about any shortage of troops.
Based on what I have heard the National Guard and Military Reserves are making 40% of the troop force right now in Iraq. The Guard and Reserve are supposed to be protect the US homeland. Bush originally said the troops would be serving a tour of about 12 months. How many times have you heard Bush say he is extending the tour of the troops? Troops have been orderd back to Iraq even after there enlistment has expired.
You can't keep having the same fighting force in Iraq for years at a time without getting "fresh soldiers".
posted on September 18, 2004 06:38:33 PM new
I hope there is a draft, however I don't believe there will be... kids today have no direction or discipline... would be good for them.
However the only person I seriously imposing a draft would be kerry, he is the one and the only one that has made a promise of military numbers...
President Bush is using the National Guard exactly as they were intended to be used...
posted on September 18, 2004 10:22:20 PM new
Well, I would rather have the National Guard guarding OUR NATION than another hell hole nation. A nation where they are sent there for their measly pay to likely be killed by some physco that thinks Alla (their god) told them to kill every American in sight, by any means.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 18, 2004 10:34:03 PM new
twelve says,
I hope there is a draft, however I don't believe there will be... kids today have no direction or discipline... would be good for them.
Well here we go again. Another blanket, let's paint everybody with the same brush, one statement covers everyone in a certain group statement. When you say kids, do you mean people under 18, or over 18?
How would you know that. You don't have any kid's. God created you as being sterile. I don't think that kids today would like to associate with you anyway. Also, if you were very honest with yourself, and you have the ability to throughly search your memory and find that you weren't very different than the kids of today.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 19, 2004 05:49:28 AM new
dadofstickboy - Kerry feels we need more troops in Iraq.
Are you sure about that? Can we really EVER be sure we know kerry's position when he's taken 8 different positions on the Iraq war. Even kerry doesn't know what kerry would do.
First he agreed on going to war in Iraq. Then he won't fund our troops...then he'd pull them out. Then he'd have more sent over. Then he'd withdraw them asap...which changed to withdraw them within his first term...which changed to withdraw them within 6 months....etc, etc.
The man is Unfit For Command....as the Swift Boat Vets book tells us....for many reasons.
During his early campaigning with his democratic opponents....he said he'd set up a system that gives people a free college education if they sign up for two years of service to our country. NOT necessarily in the defense of America military...just service.
But I haven't heard anything about this from him recently. Maybe he forgot about it...or has changed his position on this too...or since things are rough in Iraq doesn't want to appear as anything [right now] other than a anti-war leader.
Leader...now that's a joke all in itself.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don´t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." - john kerry
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"These dizzying contradictions -- so glaring, so public, so frequent -- have gone beyond undermining anything Kerry can now say on Iraq. They have been transmuted into a character issue."
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"What kind of man, aspiring to the presidency, does not know his own mind about the most serious issue of our time?" - Charles Krauthammer
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posted on September 19, 2004 05:54:18 AM newWhy would we need a draft? People are still signing up in droves and many are re-enlisting. I haven't heard about any shortage of troops.
Me neither. Matter of fact I've read they're at 99 - 100%, even a couple branches at 102% of recruitment goals.
posted on September 19, 2004 06:34:53 AM newAnother blanket, let's paint everybody with the same brush,
Isn't that how you paint those who believe in GOD yeager?
But then your bigotry is something you refuse to see...
I was 17 when I joined the service... right of High School... It was a good thing for me, or I most likely would be dead or in prison now...
I see kids today at the mall, walking the streets, no respect, killing each other... killing themselves... the military would offer them some discipline and guidance... a good swift kick in the ass...
I suspect, Twelvepole that you're not a son of linda but rather an old man since you contiouously look down from that perspective upon " kids" needing military experience to "kick their ass". So, you're too old to be linda's son and not old enough to be her father. You're her twin brother twelvepole.
posted on September 19, 2004 07:17:44 AM new
Of all the people posting here, she is one person I don't mind being associated with... however I think that is unfair to her... seeing how I am more "vocal" than she is.
posted on September 19, 2004 08:30:09 AM new
LindaK....Repetative Stuff and Nonsense.
Knock it off.. it's like listening to a broken record, droning on and on and on.. saying nothing just chanting drivel...
We get it Linda..!! you don't like Kerry or the Democrats...we got it the first time and the following 500 hundred times you bleated... baa baa baa
I used to think Twelve had the hardest head on this board.. but at least there is passion behind his beliefs...with you Linda, I swear it's like watching a rendition of the Stepford Wives, robotic, brainwashed, blocked.. Maggie
posted on September 19, 2004 10:01:01 AM new
Did you see the "city kids" on "Amish in the City" when they were sent to visit an Amish community and asked to do chores?
There should be a mandatory service requirement for military or other type of community service.
posted on September 19, 2004 10:12:28 AM new
Thanks twelve...but you're much more articulate than I.
It's okay if they all agree with one another...but if we do then it's because we're either one-in-the-same person...I'm your mother...or now we're twins.
When they can't support their positions it's easier for them to just change the direction of the topic/discussion.
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I'd agree to that suggestion, desquirrel. If high school graduates don't want to go on to college....that would be an excellent way of teaching self-reliance, self-sufficiency and improve their self-worth while, at the same time, helping them grow up before they turn 35.
posted on September 19, 2004 12:07:33 PM new
I was 17 when I joined the service... right of High School... It was a good thing for me, or I most likely would be dead or in prison now...
It is ashame Twelve actually joined the service...With or without the service, he did not learn a damn thing.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 12:18:34 PM new
Except when there is a draft, then it is OK to be gay and serve in military.
Yet another bigotted excuse from our governemnt. DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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Prevent Bigotry through Education.
Can we really EVER be sure we know kerry's position when he's taken 8 different positions on the Iraq war. Even kerry doesn't know what kerry would do.
