posted on October 25, 2004 06:15:43 AM new
The lack of integrity on both the UN and kerry's part makes it's difficult to decide just who's telling the truth...kerry or those in-the-know at the UN. Such a dilemma for the left to decide just who's telling the truth. Not at all hard for me.
kerry has constantly displaying his total lack of integrity when it comes to saying and doing ANYTHING to get elected. This is just one more example.
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By Joel Mowbray
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Security Council Members DENY Meeting kerry.
U.N. ambassadors from several nations are disputing assertions by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry that he met for hours with all members of the U.N. Security Council just a week before voting in October 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.
At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council, and we spent a couple of hours talking about what they saw as the path to a united front in order to be able to deal with Saddam Hussein."
But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.
The former ambassadors who said on the record they had never met Mr. Kerry included the representatives of Mexico, Colombia and Bulgaria. The ambassador of a fourth country gave a similar account on the condition that his country not be identified.
Ambassador Andres Franco, the permanent deputy representative from Colombia during its Security Council membership from 2001 to 2002, said, "I never heard of anything."
Although Mr. Franco was quick to note that Mr. Kerry could have met some members of the panel, he also said that "everything can be heard in the corridors."
Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, Mexico's then-ambassador to the United Nations, said: "There was no meeting with John Kerry before Resolution 1441, or at least not in my memory."
All had vivid recollections of the time frame when Mr. Kerry traveled to New York, as it was shortly before the Nov. 7, 2002, enactment of Resolution 1441, which said Iraq was in "material breach" of earlier disarmament resolutions and warned Baghdad of "serious consequences as a result of its continued violations."
Stefan Tafrov, Bulgaria's ambassador at the time, said he remembers the period well because it "was a very contentious time."
After conversations with ambassadors from five members of the Security Council in 2002 and calls to all the missions of the countries then on the panel, The Times was only able to confirm directly that Mr. Kerry had met with representatives of France, Singapore and Cameroon.
In addition, second-hand accounts have Mr. Kerry meeting with representatives of Britain.
When reached for comment last week, an official with the Kerry campaign stood by the candidate's previous claims that he had met with the entire Security Council.
But after being told late yesterday of the results of The Times investigation, the Kerry campaign issued a statement that read in part, "It was a closed meeting and a private discussion."
A Kerry aide refused to identify who participated in the meeting.
The statement did not repeat Mr. Kerry's claims of a lengthy meeting with the entire 15-member Security Council, instead saying the candidate "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council."
Asked whether the international body had any records of Mr. Kerry sitting down with the whole council, a U.N. spokesman said that "our office does not have any record of this meeting."
A U.S. official with intimate knowledge of the Security Council's actions in fall of 2002 said that he was not aware of any meeting Mr. Kerry had with members of the panel.
An official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations remarked: "We were as surprised as anyone when Kerry started talking about a meeting with the Security Council."
Jean-David Levitte, then France's chief U.N. representative and now his country's ambassador to the United States, said through a spokeswoman that Mr. Kerry did not have a single group meeting as the senator has described, but rather several one-on-one or small-group encounters.
He added that Mr. Kerry did not meet with every member of the Security Council, only "some" of them. Mr. Levitte could only name himself and Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock of Britain as the Security Council members with whom Mr. Kerry had met.
yep....big difference between saying 'every' and only two
One diplomat who met with Mr. Kerry in 2002 said on the condition of anonymity that the candidate talked to "a few" ambassadors on the Security Council.
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes - honesty.
At a New Mexico rally last month, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush will "do anything he can to cover up the truth." At what campaign aides billed as a major foreign-policy address, Mr. Kerry said at New York University last month that "the first and most fundamental mistake was the president's failure to tell the truth to the American people."
In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
For example, in March, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.
"I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' "
But the senator refused to document his claim and a review by The Times showed that Mr. Kerry had made no official foreign trips since the start of 2002, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. An extensive review of Mr. Kerry's domestic travel schedule revealed only one opportunity for him to have met foreign leaders here.
After a week of bad press, Kerry foreign-policy adviser Rand Beers said the candidate "does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements."
The Democrat has also made his own veracity a centerpiece of his campaign, calling truthfulness "the fundamental test of leadership."
well...it appears he once again has failed another 'test' of leadership
Mr. Kerry closed the final debate by recounting what his mother told him from her hospital bed, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity."
In an interview published in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Kerry was asked what he would want people to remember about his presidency. He responded, "That it always told the truth to the American people."
posted on October 25, 2004 07:37:07 AM new
Your level of hate, bitterness, soulessness, ignorance,narrow mindedness, deviousness, lack of integrity and just plain stupidity never cease to amaze me.
Will it never learn that all the smiley faces can't hide the truth and most here can see that.
posted on October 25, 2004 10:10:54 AM newYour level of hate, bitterness, soulessness, ignorance,narrow mindedness, deviousness, lack of integrity and just plain stupidity never cease to amaze me.
Crow your soul searching self analysis is gladly accepted.
Kerry will lie about anything in an attempt to further his career. History has proven he has done this from the time of his college daze through his unproductive career as a prosecutor in Mass. to his lackluster congressional vacation.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 25, 2004 03:00:37 PM new
Well let's see here about integrity:
There's Cheney and Enron.
There's Bush and WOMDs, his military service, his association with the Saud family, his allowing lobbyists to write regulations, his association with oil interests and Iraq oil.
And then there is giving huge tax breaks to the wealthiest people while running a record deficits.
The only person running for president that is integrity challenged is Bush.
posted on October 25, 2004 05:02:49 PM new
The word INTEGRITY printed by a member of the bush/cheney lie machine is the best joke I have read today. HEY,HEY,HO,HO THAT'S VERY FUNNY.
posted on October 26, 2004 05:49:10 AM new
twelvepole, about 3 years ago I guessed the economy under bush would go bad so I starting making changes then. I made sure my family has options by staying debt free. Being in the antique business I started years ago saving scrap gold and better jewelry. I worked hard to have the option of going to the bank vault and turning gold into money anyplace in the world. Simply put I like the option of being here today and gone tomorrow without anyone looking for me.
I know you will have a hard time believing what I am about to say but its from my guts and heart. I really don't care what party is in office. All I really care about is the millions upon millions of fine Americans in the middle and working class. I want them to have a chance at making a better life for themselves through hard work. I just don't believe that will happen under bush/cheney. That is the main reason I am working against bush/cheney and supporting John Kerry.
posted on October 26, 2004 09:07:01 AM new
Bigpeepa speaks;
All I really care about is the millions upon millions of fine Americans in the middle and working class. I want them to have a chance at making a better life for themselves through hard work.
And once they do make a better life for themselves and become rich and successful then you stop caring about them, that is, as long as you have YOU'RE bag of gold.
You see now this is a fundamental difference between Liberals and Conservatives. We care about all of the US citizens, rich, poor or middle class and we do what's fair for all. Rich and middle class Liberals pretend to only care about the middle class and do whatever they can for a small group of citizens until such a time that they become rich and then they turn their backs on them.
Ok now, come back with something snarky preceded by name calling, HO HEY HO HEY.
posted on October 26, 2004 11:54:25 AM new
yellowstone AKA yellowbelly, its been fun to read your sour grape words and lies for a few months. Yellowbelly just said the words below for all to read.
yellowbellow of hot air said,"You see now this is a fundamental difference between Liberals and Conservatives. We care about all of the US citizens, rich, poor or middle class and we do what's fair for all. Rich and middle class Liberals pretend to only care about the middle class and do whatever they can for a small group of citizens until such a time that they become rich and then they turn their backs on them."
Yellowbellow,of hot air your words label me a Liberal and that I only care about a "small group of citizens". My fight has always been for the working and middle class American. I guess people like you consider them to be a "small group of citizens"
SORRY YELLOWBELLY YOU GOT NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT HOW YOUR FAILED LEADERS ARE TREATING THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASS AMERICANS. NO ONE IS BELIEVING YOUR BULL ROAR ANY LONGER.
Yes, Bigpeepa is fighting against bush/cheney. YES,I AM FIGHTING FOR AND I DO BELIEVE IN THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASS OF AMERICA. If my fight against YELLOWBELLY'S failed leaders and parrots like him for their lie machine makes me a Liberal. Than I am VERY,VERY PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL.
JOHN KERRY WILL WIN PENNSYLVANIA. NOW US DEMOCRATS NEED OHIO AND FLORIDA. If Ohio and Florida comes our way we will drive a wooden stake into the hearts of bush/cheney and their lie machine.
posted on October 26, 2004 02:11:13 PM new
Bigpeepa
100,000 sperm cells and you were the one that won the race and got through, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHEYHEYHEYHEYHEYHAHAHAHA. LOL
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner
Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Re-elect President Bush
posted on October 26, 2004 04:18:50 PM new
In a December 2003 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations,Kerry said that in 2002, "I sat with the French and British, Germans, with the entire Security Council." Problem is, Germany didn't become a member of the Security Council until 2003.
More lies from kerry who doesn't kow the meaning of the word integrity.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 26, 2004 04:28:47 PM new
For any undecided voter. Linda_K and yellowstone are big time members of the Bush/Cherey lie machine. They spend all their time LYING OR TWISTING THE TRUTH TO COVER-UP FOR THEIR FAILED LEADERS THE BUSH/CHENEY GANG.
IF YOU ARE UNDECIDED. TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND READ SOME OF THEIR OTHER POSTS AND COMMENTS. AT THE SAME TIME READ SOME POSTS BY SUPPORTERS OF JOHN KERRY'S . ONCE YOU BECOME INFORMED BY READING BOTH SIDES ONLY THEN ARE YOU REALLY READY TO VOTE.
I BELIEVE ONLY JOHN KERRY WILL BRING AMERICA A NEW START. IF I WANTED MORE OF THE SAME MESS IN AMERICAN, I WOULD VOTE FOR THE BUSH/CHENEY GANG.
posted on October 26, 2004 04:43:11 PM new
Bigpeepa
I am blown away, you actually refered to me and Linda_K using our real user id's and I noticed that you did the same in a recent post to Twelvepole. You're slipping dude and you had better watch out or you will lose that tough guy personna that you have tried so hard to portray yourself as.
One last thing, I AM a card carrying member of the vast right wing conspiracy.
posted on October 26, 2004 05:28:22 PM new
Security Council members deny meeting Kerry
By Joel Mowbray
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
U.N. ambassadors from several nations are disputing assertions by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry that he met for hours with all members of the U.N. Security Council just a week before voting in October 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.
At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council, and we spent a couple of hours talking about what they saw as the path to a united front in order to be able to deal with Saddam Hussein."
But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.
The former ambassadors who said on the record they had never met Mr. Kerry included the representatives of Mexico, Colombia and Bulgaria. The ambassador of a fourth country gave a similar account on the condition that his country not be identified.
Ambassador Andres Franco, the permanent deputy representative from Colombia during its Security Council membership from 2001 to 2002, said, "I never heard of anything."
Although Mr. Franco was quick to note that Mr. Kerry could have met some members of the panel, he also said that "everything can be heard in the corridors."
Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, Mexico's then-ambassador to the United Nations, said: "There was no meeting with John Kerry before Resolution 1441, or at least not in my memory."
All had vivid recollections of the time frame when Mr. Kerry traveled to New York, as it was shortly before the Nov. 7, 2002, enactment of Resolution 1441, which said Iraq was in "material breach" of earlier disarmament resolutions and warned Baghdad of "serious consequences as a result of its continued violations."
Stefan Tafrov, Bulgaria's ambassador at the time, said he remembers the period well because it "was a very contentious time."
After conversations with ambassadors from five members of the Security Council in 2002 and calls to all the missions of the countries then on the panel, The Times was only able to confirm directly that Mr. Kerry had met with representatives of France, Singapore and Cameroon.
In addition, second-hand accounts have Mr. Kerry meeting with representatives of Britain.
When reached for comment last week, an official with the Kerry campaign stood by the candidate's previous claims that he had met with the entire Security Council.
But after being told late yesterday of the results of The Times investigation, the Kerry campaign issued a statement that read in part, "It was a closed meeting and a private discussion."
A Kerry aide refused to identify who participated in the meeting.
The statement did not repeat Mr. Kerry's claims of a lengthy meeting with the entire 15-member Security Council, instead saying the candidate "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council."
Asked whether the international body had any records of Mr. Kerry sitting down with the whole council, a U.N. spokesman said that "our office does not have any record of this meeting."
A U.S. official with intimate knowledge of the Security Council's actions in fall of 2002 said that he was not aware of any meeting Mr. Kerry had with members of the panel.
An official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations remarked: "We were as surprised as anyone when Kerry started talking about a meeting with the Security Council."
Jean-David Levitte, then France's chief U.N. representative and now his country's ambassador to the United States, said through a spokeswoman that Mr. Kerry did not have a single group meeting as the senator has described, but rather several one-on-one or small-group encounters.
He added that Mr. Kerry did not meet with every member of the Security Council, only "some" of them. Mr. Levitte could only name himself and Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock of Britain as the Security Council members with whom Mr. Kerry had met.
One diplomat who met with Mr. Kerry in 2002 said on the condition of anonymity that the candidate talked to "a few" ambassadors on the Security Council.
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes — honesty.
At a New Mexico rally last month, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush will "do anything he can to cover up the truth." At what campaign aides billed as a major foreign-policy address, Mr. Kerry said at New York University last month that "the first and most fundamental mistake was the president's failure to tell the truth to the American people."
In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
For example, in March, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.
"I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' "
But the senator refused to document his claim and a review by The Times showed that Mr. Kerry had made no official foreign trips since the start of 2002, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. An extensive review of Mr. Kerry's domestic travel schedule revealed only one opportunity for him to have met foreign leaders here.
After a week of bad press, Kerry foreign-policy adviser Rand Beers said the candidate "does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements."
The Democrat has also made his own veracity a centerpiece of his campaign, calling truthfulness "the fundamental test of leadership."
Mr. Kerry closed the final debate by recounting what his mother told him from her hospital bed, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity."
In an interview published in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Kerry was asked what he would want people to remember about his presidency. He responded, "That it always told the truth to the American people."
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
