profe51
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posted on November 4, 2004 05:07:55 AM new
Being a progressive in the US is now more important than ever.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/actnow?pid=1983
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 4, 2004 05:18:38 AM new
Nice opinion... now for mine...
Get behind the President and support him, now that he has been reelected.
People of this country complain we are so divided and after reading that is there any wonder why... it is not the right that has split this country, but the left and in particular those left of center... they don't seem to be able to grasp the mood and direction this nation wants to go...
The people of the US have been heading to the right ever since the Reagan years... you can thank Carter for that.
Look at the south, once heavily democtratic, President Bush took all the states...Edwards couldn't even deliver his own state... nor keep his vacated seat democratic... the democratic party has lost its direction and seem upset that the republicans have not, they know what is best for this country right now.
People are tired of supporting those who do not work as hard as themselves... this nation was not founded on socialism... but hard work and self determination.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
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CBlev65252
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posted on November 4, 2004 05:27:29 AM new
twelve
Once again you a preaching to the wrong choir. Unless, of course, you are still for burning witches at the stake or support the killing of innocent people in Ireland or hell, for that matter are supportive of bin Laden who is fighting his own war based on religion. This election was won on the basis of religious values and because of the votes by fundamentalist Christians NOT because Bush is our savior.
How many of your ancestors owned slaves, twelve? Are you a product of inbreeding? Oh, yes, the south has soooooo much to be proud of. God is surely smiling down on them.
If you think we will roll over and cave, you're so very wrong on that one. We'll stay on our feet and we will continue the fight.
Cheryl
http://www.whywehatebush.com
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 4, 2004 05:31:43 AM new
Have to blame someone, might as well be the christian fundementalists... got news for you, you don't know that... however you can fight windmills all you want... that is your decision to be bitter for the next four years or do what you preached... come together... or was that just BS because you mistakenly thought kerry was going to win?
Southern Ohio knows values and who needed to win.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
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replaymedia
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posted on November 4, 2004 05:42:39 AM new
The Democrats have to blame someone, that's only natural.
The problem is that they are looking outward, not inward. THE PEOPLE voted against them, and look at what a struggle they had even getting to the 48% mark.
The American PEOPLE simply do not want what the Democrats have been offering. They (the Dems) need internal reforms and a shift in their policies. The far left that is running the Democratic party is simply TOO liberal, and this includes embracing hatemongers like Michael Moore. That's not what America wants.
America clearly stated in the exit polls that what they want is morals and values, not more liberal political correctness shoved down their throats. Will the Democrats LISTEN to the PEOPLE, or will they beaten again in 4 years?
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kineticenergy
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posted on November 4, 2004 06:33:21 AM new
"Get behind the President and support him, now that he has been reelected."
Ahhh. The beauty of the USA is...get this....
I don't have to!!!!!!!
The "with us or against us" attitude has prevailed. A sad day for freedom of dissention.
I will make it my mission starting now to get more involved.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on November 4, 2004 08:10:05 AM new
From Bush Acceptance Speech...
"To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust. A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation. We have one country, one [b]Constitution, and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America."
He worked himself into quite a humble stance in 2000 when he said something similar. He said something similar in the debates back then about "being humble in our foreign policy" and "compassionate conservatism".
It is a load of horse sh!t. Like the misleader himself said..."fool me once..shame on...shame on...fool me..don't-get-fooled-again"
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desquirrel
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posted on November 4, 2004 08:44:42 AM new
People who classify themselves as "left" simply DON'T GET IT.
The world doesn't revolve around gay and non-gay. The majority don't care. And while the majority don't care, they also don't want to hear a constant harangue about being gay is normal, just "different". So they all vote for a definition of "marriage" in the traditional sense. This converts in the liberal brain as everyone wants to burn gays at the stake. Well, ok twelvepole, but he's in the minority.
You can delude yourself about "christian right", all you want, but the rest of us don't see hundreds of millions of people in Pilgrim hats either. Hey, women voted for Bush at a rate 10% higher than the last election. There are a lot more females than there are holy rollers. Why not blame it all on "the women"?
Many people voted for Bush because they knew if they asked him a question, they could probably predict his answer, while Kerry would say what the current crowd wanted to hear. With the situation in the world, most decided not to go with a "make it up as you go" President.
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fenix03
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posted on November 4, 2004 08:57:19 AM new
::How many of your ancestors owned slaves, twelve? Are you a product of inbreeding? Oh, yes, the south has soooooo much to be proud of.::
On behalf of those of us which southern heritage everywhere Cheryl - Kiss my azz. You know, I'm not thrilled about Bush as president either but you really might want to sign off for a while take a few deep breaths then come back and check out the overall tone of your posts in the past couple days. You are going off the deep end my friend.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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crowfarm
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posted on November 4, 2004 08:58:46 AM new
Yup. Profe, it's winter in America and heating costs are going up 35% and bush has done NOTHING to stop it.
Why not? because the White House will be cozy warm with our tax dollars.
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Bear1949
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posted on November 4, 2004 11:20:18 AM new
Prof's PO'd that Arizona went to Pres Bush.
{B}Americans again prove Pres Bush is the best man for the job[/b]
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
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profe51
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posted on November 4, 2004 03:59:11 PM new
Prof's PO'd that Arizona went to Pres Bush.
I'm not PO'd about anything bear. Anybody with a speck sense knows AZ always votes for the Republican candidate. I would have bet you my best horse on that one.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 4, 2004 04:58:48 PM new
"How many of your ancestors owned slaves, twelve? Are you a product of inbreeding? Oh, yes, the south has soooooo much to be proud of. God is surely smiling down on them."
This is a grossly inappropriate attack on the South. I don't understand the relevance of the questions or the remark.
Good article and links, Profe!
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 4, 2004 07:56:07 PM new
Cheryl, West Virginia was admitted as a free state... very few people there owned slaves... too poor...
Also for your information I was born in Ohio... 
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
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profe51
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posted on November 4, 2004 07:59:31 PM new
Thanks helen, and I agree with you. Cheryl, that was beneath you.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 4, 2004 08:57:11 PM new
I'm from Mississippi, Cheryl and I am proud to report that all of my relatives voted for Kerry.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 4, 2004 09:02:25 PM new
And, BTW..."inbreeding" is sex between close relatives.
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classicrock000
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posted on November 5, 2004 12:40:43 PM new
well TWELVE-after Cheryls posts we have democrats arguing against democrats.
you cant make this sh*t up LOL !!
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Linda_K
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posted on November 5, 2004 01:12:14 PM new
I agree fenix....and I wasn't born in the South, nor do I consider myself a 'Southerner'.
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Logansdad has long repeated this same 'backward' thinking in his posts and no one ever has made a comment on it except me. I'm glad to see some here don't agree.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
edited to add:
Being a progressive in the US is now more important than ever.
I really believe progressives are blind. They appear unable to see the further 'left' they go the MORE the far right pops up and says 'hel1 no'. And UNTIL the time comes when the progressives
'get' that....the longer we're going to see a Republican led Congress...and President.
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Helenjw
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posted on November 5, 2004 01:14:42 PM new
I'm not selective about who I argue with classic. Twelve knows that.
Cheryl made disparaging remarks about my part of the country and the people who live and "breed" there.
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hillbillymo
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posted on November 5, 2004 01:39:38 PM new
The problem of slavery wasn't entirely the South's responsibility. The Northern states' had no problem profiteering from slave labor. Where do you think the cotton for the textile mills in the North came from. Slavery was such a economic dynamic and concern that the framer's of the Constitution deliberately excluded slaves from the umbrella of rights the Constitution guarantees others.
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CBlev65252
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posted on November 5, 2004 01:59:22 PM new
I have ancestors from the south as well. The hills to be exact. My comment was not meant as an insult - it was meant to get twelve into an uproar since he seems to delight in making me mad. I'd be insulting my own family who were Scots that immigrated to the hills of W. Va. and Cherokee Indians who still reside there. A great-great-great grandmother married a Cherokee Indian so I know about the stereotypes. I'm sincerely sorry for insulting other posters on this board. Again, it was meant to get twelve's goat. Those of you who know me, should have realized that. Don't think I don't hear the same stuff about living in Cleveland - just ask classicrock who now thinks I work at McDonald's.
When someone backs their church by voting the way the church says they should and doesn't care about putting food on their table or shoes on their children's feet, I have a problem with that. The south is in deep you-know-what poverty wise (as is a good portion of Ohio), but they would rather allow religion to drive their decisions than common sense. No one can tell me that this election wasn't driven in part by religious values. No where in my bible does it say allow your children to starve, but make sure you feed the church. The church now expects favors from this administration and they will not settle until they get them. Now, that may be alright with some of you, but it's not alright with me.
My visits to poverty stricken areas in Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky a couple of years ago was appauling. However, they think nothing of going to church every Sunday with what cannot be even called a pair of shoes on their feet and dropping what's left of their money in the collection box. Rather than looking to those who can really help them (a more caring and compassionate administration for example), they think that by doing what the church says salvation will come. How many more generations are they going to wait and how many more of their children are going to starve or die from disease for lack of proper health care?
Cheryl
http://www.whywehatebush.com
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Helenjw
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posted on November 5, 2004 03:15:50 PM new
The people that you mention have just been subjected to persuasion that would rival anything offered by Hitler's minister of propaganda. Focus your anger instead on the administration in office and not some poor, unemployed, underpaid and in many cases uneducated people who have been manipulated to vote for a man who will not make a move to improve their situation. I think that your condescending attitude as evidenced by the latter part of your previous comment and your remark to Twelvepole reveal contempt for the people of the South that I can't accept.
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classicrock000
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posted on November 5, 2004 05:44:04 PM new
" just ask classicrock who now thinks I work at McDonald's."
So now your barraging the people who work at Mcdonalds? whats next Santa Claus?? The Easter Bunny????
[ edited by classicrock000 on Nov 5, 2004 05:54 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 5, 2004 07:37:18 PM new
Aren't you moving to Canada cheryl? I am sure kiara and kraft will help you...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
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Linda_K
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posted on November 6, 2004 09:08:38 AM new
classic -
Christmas vacation now = Winter vacation
Easter vacation now =
Spring Break
they're already done with those two.
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And at least the people working at McDonald's aren't too proud to actually WORK for a living rather than think they're too good ...they'll just let us support them.
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classicrock000
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posted on November 7, 2004 01:48:17 PM new
yea I know Linda,my wifes a Special Ed teacher and I hear those frazes for a number of years now. However I still belive in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny
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